Bangladesh Keen To Join Saudi-Pak-Turkey Defence Alliance, Says PM's Top Aide

[El Sidd]

It's true, aside from geographical reliance India is not helping Bangladesh prosper in the way the world needs and china can provide.

In fact in many ways,over time, they are in the same

Anyway, enlighten me otherwise if you were ever serious

Bangladesh is prospering at BD speed. It cannot progress at Indian or Chinese pace. The institutional dependence of Bangladesh on India is not a laughing matter, it is a fact. India literally micro manages BD after having built their institutions post 'liberation'.

The cultural ties between India and Bangladesh supercede any promise of growth and development.

Not big on betting but we can place a bet that BD won't join this and will return to lactating teets of her Indian mother sooner rather than later.

 

[El Sidd]

I agree.
Don't assume what i do or do not believe, it's pure idiocy.

I have opinions on various topics, one opinion does not automatically equate to an assumed opinion on another.
Discuss each topic for it's own merit.

Now go live peacefully.

No assumptions just following your own proposed logic and argument.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The outrage coming out of New Delhi and Tel Aviv isn't sound logic. It’s pure panic over losing the ability to divide, dominate and dictate. For years, the playbook relied on keeping regional powers fragmented and vulnerable. Now that these sovereign nations are pooling their defence capabilities and building on existing foundations like the Saudi and Pakistani military cooperation, the critics are calling a basic act of self preservation a suicide mission.

Framing a collective defence agreement as a catastrophe simply reveals sour grapes of external actors who realize their monopoly on power in the region has begun to decay.

You were a pen stroke away from signing the Abraham Accords. Proof that man plans, but Allah is the ultimate planner.

The alliance may well be tested by both Israel and India very soon, maybe together, and we shall see if it has legs or not.

The key part will be what/if-anything does Saudi do. I have no doubts in my mind about Pakistan-Türkiye supporting each other actively and visibility and militarily. We have seen Pakistan put soldiers and aircraft on the line for the Saudi-Pakistan pact as well, but if Saudi does not get involved actively and visibility and militarily in supporting Pakistan or Türkiye when required, then the pact is dead.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Uffffff good posting

I did not see you before, change user id?

See the video posted, it's not appreciated that India has the most equities in division.

He is DALIT..

I really hate how this forum allows you to change your username. I am not of the point, but it makes it damn confusing at times to know who you are talking to, on the basis of previous posts etc..

 

[Ali_Baba]

The question has been raised about whether aid will actually come to member countries of the Mecca pact in the event of a serious, actual attack, and there are doubts about whether aid will come.
My opinion on this matter is that we need precisely this doubt. The attacker shouldn't be certain. For example, let's say a country wants to attack Pakistan or Türkiye. Thanks to this agreement, they will think twice, wondering what will happen. If they come to help, the situation will drag on for a long time, and their reputation will be damaged.

Wars are no longer fought for territory, but for economic interests and domestic politics. America got involved with Iran because of Israel, couldn't defeat them, couldn't force them to surrender, lost reputation, and suffered huge economic losses. In fact, they should have given up and fled, they regretted it, but the Zionist lobby and domestic politics are forcing them to pretend to continue.
Anyway, let's not digress; even two speeches of support at the moment of the attack would be a great morale boost. In addition, providing financial and ammunition aid wouldn't significantly impact the war, but it would be a huge morale boost. Otherwise, how could a devastated Ukraine have endured for four years?

Agree - and there is no value in publishing the terms of the pact either, as countries will try and find "holes" in the pact that they will try and exploit, as per Israel's recent assertion that Turkish forces in Cyprus or Syria are not covered under the NATO pact. Let them guessing.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I think china is primarily reliable

China has clearly stated on numerous times that it will not supply weapons to countries at war. So, what does this mean for Pakistan ?

 

[Ali_Baba]

If the Mecca Defense Agreement lives up to its commitments, I could see a similar alliance eventually forming between India, Iran, and Afghanistan to counterbalance it.

lol - there is no way that Iran is joining the Mother-father alliance, or any alliance with India after India's antics in Tel Aviv days before Israel attacked Iran. As for Afghanistan, good luck with that.

 

[GoatsMilk]

The alliance may well be tested by both Israel and India very soon, maybe together, and we shall see if it has legs or not.

The key part will be what/if-anything does Saudi do. I have no doubts in my mind about Pakistan-Türkiye supporting each other actively and visibility and militarily. We have seen Pakistan put soldiers and aircraft on the line for the Saudi-Pakistan pact as well, but if Saudi does not get involved actively and visibility and militarily in supporting Pakistan or Türkiye when required, then the pact is dead.

I don't think Turkiye looks at it this way. I dont think any Turkish military planner honestly looks at saudi today and thinks its going to be any use in a war. No disrespect to the Saudi people.

I think the pact is really about planting seeds. Its a start to something greater. Maybe in 10 years time saudi will be able to function like a real military ally, but to expect that from them today or in the next couple of years is wrong.

Its going to take time and as Muslims we got to start thinking about 10, 20 years, 50 year timeframes. Otherwise were going to keep losing against those powers who do think along these lines.

So we are here today, where do we want to be in 10 years time, 20 years time. Once we realise where we want to be, we then need to start actively planning and working today towards it.

If India attacks Pakistan tomorrow and the Saudis don't do anything, that's fine. Lets not expect such a nation to behave like Turkiye or Pakistan overnight. Now if after 10 years of work and Saudis still behave the same way, then that's a different story. But its going to take time and work.

A big reason the Turkish defence industry is succeeding today is because it didn't think about day 1, it thought about 50 years later. If we got hooked on all the early failures, all the early set backs, we wouldn't be talking about a 5th gen fighter today. Anything of value requires work.

 

[mythbuster]

Right now, i am profusely scratching my head. Only a child creates simplistic interpretations, once you grow up you learn to recognise the context and nuance which exists in every situation and issue.

According to your logic, the other is forever an enemy, an antithesis till the end of times.
If we apply Your logic, the entire human race should constantly hate each other at a micro and macro level.

I'm sorry but it's time to grow up.

Assuming you have a 20 / 2 0 hindsight.... since the creation of Pakistan Bengal/ Bangladesh has been a psychological , strategic and economic burden on Pakistan ... other than religion we have nothing in common with Bangladesh , glad it became a separate country though I wish it would have separated in a dignified and amicable way.... bringing it to the Makkah alliance means taking all those burdens on your back again... Bangladesh offers nothing in return ... Saudi Arabia is also a burden to a lesser extent , in Saudi case there's some hope of investments , if not this alliance is nothing more than a ego trip for Pakistan.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I don't think Turkiye looks at it this way. I dont think any Turkish military planner honestly looks at saudi today and thinks its going to be any use in a war. No disrespect to the Saudi people.

I think the pact is really about planting seeds. Its a start to something greater. Maybe in 10 years time saudi will be able to function like a real military ally, but to expect that from them today or in the next couple of years is wrong.

Its going to take time and as Muslims we got to start thinking about 10, 20 years, 50 year timeframes. Otherwise were going to keep losing against those powers who do think along these lines.

So we are here today, where do we want to be in 10 years time, 20 years time. Once we realise where we want to be, we then need to start actively planning and working today towards it.

If India attacks Pakistan tomorrow and the Saudis don't do anything, that's fine. Lets not expect such a nation to behave like Turkiye or Pakistan overnight. Now if after 10 years of work and Saudis still behave the same way, then that's a different story. But its going to take time and work.

A big reason the Turkish defence industry is succeeding today is because it didn't think about day 1, it thought about 50 years later. If we got hooked on all the early failures, all the early set backs, we wouldn't be talking about a 5th gen fighter today. Anything of value requires work.

The question everyone is asking right now, is if the treaty is real or not, or is it pure political theatre. If one of the founding members e.g. cannot even send 1 x squadron of fighter jets( the lowest and simplest ask! ) to Pakistan to defend Pakistan, then the pact will carry no political or military weight at any scale and will be dismissed as having no deterrence value. The purpose of the pact is to create deterrence value and for that deterrence to be real, countries have to respond proactively. Look how Egypt sent planes to UAE to help defend their airspace, can we not even expect something as simple as that from Saudi ?

If the intention was to have a structure in 10years from now, then would it not have been suitable until this pact was delayed until then, when the ground work has been done an it becomes real ?

 

[Aghor Warrior]

lol - there is no way that Iran is joining the Mother-father alliance, or any alliance with India after India's antics in Tel Aviv days before Israel attacked Iran. As for Afghanistan, good luck with that.

India–Israel relations should not be viewed through the lens of India–Iran relations. If the Mecca Defense Pact lives up to its expectations, it could actually be beneficial for India, Iran, and Afghanistan to consider forming a similar security pact of their own, as a counterbalance to the Mecca Defense Pact.

Israel is not Iran’s only adversary. India, Iran, and Afghanistan also share a common adversary Pakistan, which shares borders with all three countries. I am not suggesting that India needs Iran and Afghanistan to replicate Operation Sindoor. Rather, intelligence sharing and the potential establishment of Indian military bases or facilities in Iran and Afghanistan could make certain operations easier, faster, and more effective.

The presence of Indian military facilities in Iran and Afghanistan could also serve as a deterrent, making Pakistan think twice before attempting to invoke the Mecca Defense Pact against either Iran or Afghanistan.

 

[Master Chief]

The presence of Indian military facilities in Iran and Afghanistan could also serve as a deterrent, making Pakistan think twice before attempting to invoke the Mecca Defense Pact against either Iran or Afghanistan.

You do know what a "defence pact" is, right?

If India attacks Pakistan, then Pakistan will invoke the terms of its "defence pact". You think Iran will then be summonable by Delhi for Pakistan defending itself??

Afghanistan doesn't need any "pact" to be be your lackey anyway. We are already living this reality and putting both your nations in their rightful place.

Honestly, the panic from our Indian origin forum regulars on this thread - you all seem to have woken up in a cold sweat and have decided to create wild Bollywood theories on this very straightforward matter.