Iran launches Operation True Promise - massive missile/drone strikes across Israel, Israel allegedly responds with quadcopters

[Nuffle]

This is why I miss the former (USSR) Soviets. None of this crap would be happening. The West would not be this stupid in their presence.

Do you mean freedom of western military action? This existed even when the USSR was still among us.

States that tax and regulate their economies comparatively little – the "liberal/democratic" States – tend to defeat and expand their territories or their scope of hegemonic control at the expense of less liberal ones.

This explains, for example, why Western Europe came to dominate the rest of the world and not the other way around. More specifically, it explains why it was first the Dutch, then the British, and finally, in the 20th century, the United States, that became the dominant imperial power, and why the United States, domestically one of the most liberal states, led the most aggressive foreign policy in history during the Cold War, while the former Soviet Union, for example, with its totally illiberal (repressive) domestic policies, engaged in a comparatively peaceful and cautious foreign policy. The United States knew that it could militarily defeat any other state; therefore, it was extremely aggressive. In contrast, the Soviet Union knew that it was doomed to lose a military confrontation with any state of substantial size unless it managed to win within a few days or weeks.

The Soviet Union was never an impediment for Americans and Israelis to act.

 

[hussain0216]

Let me repeat

*Israel has been stuck in war for 6 months now
*It has lost a few thousand of its own people
*Israel has had to evacuate it's population from large parts of north and south Israel
*Hundreds of dual national Israeli have left the country
*Israeli economy has taken a hit and by calling up reservists it's taken a larger hit.
*This has forced Israel to try and change the law and use their orthodox population who have resisted, neither they not the Arab population will fight for Israel
*Israel has been forced to Jew tens of billions from multiple countries across the world
*Opposition to Israel is worldwide and Israeli are struggling to control the fallout, even the conservative right across multiple countries are asking why the Zionists can Jew so much money out of their countries and why they control so many politicians
*Not just Israel but the entire west and loss of moral authority will cost it
*Israel has been hit from multiple opposition groups from hez, to houthis to groups in Iraq and Syria


And Iran has been the CENTER of this resistance,,, let me be clear Muslims across the world have seen Iran to stand up and fight for our faith culture and region against a Brutal enemy and iran deserves RESPECT, the GCC and Arabs and even the rest of the Muslim world have been pathetic in comparison

Israel has been in turmoil for half a year and all Iran has had to do is supply the opposition

at the same time Iran has supplied the russians and the Russians will indeed win

Iran has been able to screw both Israel and the west and they are burning


Fundamentally, iran has caused some serious pain and it's why they are so angry and desperate to try and hurt Iran, once again I will say when Iran has been able to hurt them so much,

What would be the best way to continue the pain?


They are trying to goad Iran into a emotional response so they can gang up on Iran


Let Israel destroy itself, it's reputation, it's standing, Israel is becoming a hated pariah and it will now be hounded EVERYWHERE

Increase the pain for Israel

 

[Developereo]

They have international legitimacy to respond but window is quickly closing. Worst Israel can do is some strikes on Iran from Iraqi airspace. Iranian regime is probably worried that becomes a weekly or monthly occurrence if they respond. Or Israel attacks Hezbollah. Basically resistance axis lacks political will to confront Israel and it was shown by their reaction to war in Gaza and likely won't change.

In all fairness, the reason Iran hesitates is that it knows it won't get support from the Arabs, Turks and others, whereas Israel will get full support from the US and Europe.

The Muslim world is divided and ruled by scared slaves.

 

[Nuffle]

Mullah clown show continuing.

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[hussain0216]

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Iran is lucky it has the islamic republic to defend it

 

[Falcon29]

In all fairness, the reason Iran hesitates is that it knows it won't get support from the Arabs, Turks and others, whereas Israel will get full support from the US and Europe.

The Muslim world is divided and ruled by scared slaves.

I don't know how a full blown war would play out but I don't think this will lead to a war. A tit for tat maybe. Israel doesn't have logistical capability for offensive war. It can conduct airstrikes from Iraqi airspace but not much more on conventional level.

If Israel tried to trigger a actual regional war involving all parties, including Arabs and potentially Turks, it would be suicidal. Region will not stabilize and US and Europe can't fix everything nor afford such a situation. It wouldn't in Israel's interests. I think they just want a skirmish with Hezbollah because they're afraid of their own population to agree to a ceasefire in Gaza and withdraw. As the international community has had enough with that they're doing in Gaza. And Netanyahu wants to unilaterally withdraw to not look weak by having a skirmish in the north. My guess.

 

[Sarhang]

I don't know how a full blown war would play out but I don't think this will lead to a war. A tit for tat maybe. Israel doesn't have logistical capability for offensive war. It can conduct airstrikes from Iraqi airspace but not much more on conventional level.

43 years ago Israeli airforce launched a massive aerial campaign and destroyed the Iraqi nuclear program. 4 decades ago.

 

[Falcon29]

43 years ago Israeli airforce launched a massive aerial campaign and destroyed the Iraqi nuclear program. 4 decades ago.

Iranian nuclear program is better protected and they have more deterrence options than Iraq did , imo.

 

[Musings]

Not the US, only Israel.

The last thing the US administration wants in an election year is to start a war.

This attack on Iran may be for the USA - the straw that broke the camels back. Israel is simply out of control.
Attempting to bring Iran into a full fledge war is the aim. Hoping Iran doesn’t take the bait.
Revenge is a dish ……….. you know the rest.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Test your nuclear weapons, Iran.

Know what is coming otherwise !!!

Regarding response, I believe Iranians will set their eyes on Jordanian resistance where protests are at their peak

 

[SaadH]

Not the US, only Israel.

The last thing the US administration wants in an election year is to start a war.

On the contrary that would be perfect time to start a war especially given that Biden is trailing Trump and has burned so many bridges across the board.

 

[Developereo]

I don't know how a full blown war would play out but I don't think this will lead to a war. A tit for tat maybe. Israel doesn't have logistical capability for offensive war. It can conduct airstrikes from Iraqi airspace but not much more on conventional level.

If Israel tried to trigger a actual regional war involving all parties, including Arabs and potentially Turks, it would be suicidal. Region will not stabilize and US and Europe can't fix everything nor afford such a situation. It wouldn't in Israel's interests. I think they just want a skirmish with Hezbollah because they're afraid of their own population to agree to a ceasefire in Gaza and withdraw. As the international community has had enough with that they're doing in Gaza. And Netanyahu wants to unilaterally withdraw to not look weak by having a skirmish in the north. My guess.

Israel wants to escalate just enough so that Iran activates Hezbollah, which will give green light for US to bomb them and do Israel's work for them so Israel can focus on Gaza.

This attack on Iran may be for the USA - the straw that broke the camels back. Israel is simply out of control.
Attempting to bring Iran into a full fledge war is the aim. Hoping Iran doesn’t take the bait.
Revenge is a dish ……….. you know the rest.

The Zionist control on the US administration is still absolute. Biden is only making noises to placate and fool Arab Americans into voting for him. In the end, he can huff and puff, but he has zero choice and must do what his Zionist masters order him to do.

Ironically, Trump has more freedom of action than Biden, who is 100% remote controlled.

 

[Comandante]

but some answer is needed

 

[Falcon29]

Israel wants to escalate just enough so that Iran activates Hezbollah, which will give green light for US to bomb them and do Israel's work for them so Israel can focus on Gaza.

So you think they're doing this to provoke Hezbollah into a war? I don't see US attacking Hezbollah at all and they don't need to. It's plausible Israel wants to open a front in the north but I doubt they'd need a excuse. Excuses and justifications are ready it's just something they may be weighing and preparing for but haven't decided on yet.

I don't think Iran and Hezbollah were prepared for Hamas operation on October 7. There must have been severe misunderstandings between Hamas and Hezbollah /other parties. Hamas probably thought they're prepared and willing to participate in a war around Palestine. Hezbollah probably did not think Hamas would undergo such a operation without a big provocation of different political climate. But operation's success was likely hingent upon surprise.

Whichever way we put it, it either shows gross incompetence or that resistance axis wasn't and isn't actually preparing for a big showdown with Israel. And now Hamas essentially entangled them into this situation they don't want. And Israel senses that and is talking advantage of it to flex muscles and make some gains.

 

[Oscar]

So you think they're doing this to provoke Hezbollah into a war? I don't see US attacking Hezbollah at all and they don't need to. It's plausible Israel wants to open a front in the north but I doubt they'd need a excuse. Excuses and justifications are ready it's just something they may be weighing and preparing for but haven't decided on yet.

I don't think Iran and Hezbollah were prepared for Hamas operation on October 7. There must have been severe misunderstandings between Hamas and Hezbollah /other parties. Hamas probably thought they're prepared and willing to participate in a war around Palestine. Hezbollah probably did not think Hamas would undergo such a operation without a big provocation of different political climate. But operation's success was likely hingent upon surprise.

Whichever way we put it, it either shows gross incompetence or that resistance axis wasn't and isn't actually preparing for a big showdown with Israel. And now Hamas essentially entangled them into this situation they don't want. And Israel senses that and is talking advantage of it to flex muscles and make some gains.

Another angle is that Bibi is stuck in a puddle of his own doing and despite the Hamas attack(which some say he let happen to save his political seat) he is back to being ousted. So he is raring to draw Iran into a fight to sway public opinion in the US and Europe but more so with the domestic audience so him and his right wing nutjobs can hold their power.