Balochistan Terrorism Watch

[hussain0216]

Shoulda, coulda, woulda, thats all we have. It is absolutely mind boggling that this news did not even make it to the front page of online msm. Why the hell did we start bombing afghandoos if we were not sure how to take it to its logical conclusion. Its close to an year since last October and we are nowhere near ending this insurgency. Moreover, we have sent them straight to lindoos where they are only going to get more nefarious support for further asymmetric attacks.

Their will ALWAYS be insurgency, what don't you understand about this

GHQ have understood this

They have understood years ago this is a POPULATION problem
Not a terrorism problem

If can't happen in Punjab for example, do you know why?
Because local people will inform the security forces and demand action to make their areas peaceful for life and business




Their will ALWAYS be low level conflict and our objective is to keep it low level as best we can and the sacrifice of a few hundred security to defend the country is deemed acceptable losses

India was given a bloody nose last year

Vital alliances for the future of the Muslim world are being made


The Baloch and pashtuns will be used against Pakistan and
We have managed to kick millions of Afghans out and we have millions more to remove
We must continue striking Afghanistan and supporting conflicts inside Afghanistan to burn them from within


Their will never be a conclusion unless you want to mass massacre Afghanistan because we have people on our side who support them as ethnic kin




So as long as the conflict is kept to the tribal areas
We lose a few hundred per year
They lose a few thousand
And the local donkeys continue to live their usual shit lives

Then life will go on



Does GHQ want a end to these conflicts?
Sure, but they know it will take a long long time and the locals will need to suffer a lot lot more before they start changing their ways if ever

 

[Engr. Mech]

Their will ALWAYS be insurgency, what don't you understand about this

GHQ have understood this

They have understood years ago this is a POPULATION problem
Not a terrorism problem

If can't happen in Punjab for example, do you know why?
Because local people will inform the security forces and demand action to make their areas peaceful for life and business




Their will ALWAYS be low level conflict and our objective is to keep it low level as best we can and the sacrifice of a few hundred security to defend the country is deemed acceptable losses

India was given a bloody nose last year

Vital alliances for the future of the Muslim world are being made


The Baloch and pashtuns will be used against Pakistan and
We have managed to kick millions of Afghans out and we have millions more to remove
We must continue striking Afghanistan and supporting conflicts inside Afghanistan to burn them from within


Their will never be a conclusion unless you want to mass massacre Afghanistan because we have people on our side who support them as ethnic kin




So as long as the conflict is kept to the tribal areas
We lose a few hundred per year
They lose a few thousand
And the local donkeys continue to live their usual shit lives

Then life will go on



Does GHQ want a end to these conflicts?
Sure, but they know it will take a long long time and the locals will need to suffer a lot lot more before they start changing their ways if ever

Instead of building business empires and housing societies,Why they fkin can't terrorise the locals back ??? Atleast for a decade focus on what their real job is.

 

[Blain2]

Gora sahibs have been replaced by brown sahibs and Company Bahadur and Raj have been replaced by Fauj Bahadur. At least in the Raj, the ICS and judiciary were independent and independently answerable to the India office in London. Now, everyone is under the control of the fauj.

I take your point about the sacrifices made by lower rank officers in the field, but, unlike the Air Force and Navy, which still retain their character as professional militaries, the Army's capture of the state means it self selects careerists who are more adept at politicking than soldiering to rise to the top brass.

You are entitled to your opinion and you will even get the usual support from your eco-chamber that you subscribe to.

For every chief that is involved in some level of politicking, he has an entire coterie of senior PSOs and Corps Commanders who want nothing to do with the politics of the state. This has been proven time and again. Also, junior officers grow into senior military leadership. They don't suddenly get an ilham to become brown sahibs.

Last, just because the rank and file don't mutiny in support of Imran Khan does not mean the entire army and its high command are for politics and governing the country. We should be able to discern things clearly instead of regurgitating the hyperbole that is constantly brewing in the anti-establishment camp. Most of it is ill-informed and baseless. However since nobody cares about validating the truth and facts, it passes as gospel in certain camps.

 

[hussain0216]

Instead of building business empires and housing societies,Why they fkin can't terrorise the locals back ??? Atleast for a decade focus on what their real job is.

They can't do it back, because our population is made up of easily manipulated puddus

Ultimately the views of our population matter but because they are just jahils they don't really understand the need for ruthless action to put down these haramis and deal with the local supporters

Even death of one random donkey, gets the bleeding hearts if PTI and others crying into the night


Because of this Pakistan has taken this soft approach, but we are heading towards a major operation and some serious pain being delved into the Afghans as well as the locals

 

[Engr. Mech]

They can't do it back, because our population is made up of easily manipulated puddus

Ultimately the views of our population matter but because they are just jahils they don't really understand the need for ruthless action to put down these haramis and deal with the local supporters

Even death of one random donkey, gets the bleeding hearts if PTI and others crying into the night


Because of this Pakistan has taken this soft approach, but we are heading towards a major operation and some serious pain being delved into the Afghans as well as the locals

And what do you think going to happen if some remaining one keeps receiving body bags??? The few remaining ones on state side are also going to join the winning side. Nothing going to happen. As there isn't any CT specific acquisition going on. No Drones or APCs , no gunship . No fortified bases , no structural or tactical changes seems happening.

 

[Vapnope]

Shameful to see the video of TTP attacking, killing FC and roaming freely for almost an hour and no one from the state tried to intervene... shame shame

 

[Engr. Mech]

Shameful to see the video of TTP attacking, killing FC and roaming freely for almost an hour and no one from the state tried to intervene... shame shame

How do they respond?? In Toyota Hilux they are already walking dead. So they preserve those who aren't attacked and never intervene. Same goes for other attack by BLA where 16 soldiers were martyred. All they can do is to watch from distance. This very dangerous as it has emboldened terrorist so much that they are now attacking more settled areas which use to be relatively very peaceful.

 

[Cipher212]

Honestly, when you don't know about things factually, please don't pass baseless judgments.

Officers have made immense sacrifices of lives and limbs along with their men. Quite a few of us have family members (officers) who have made the ultimate sacrifice. Some as young as 20-25 and others older. These are officers at the peak of their youth dying for this country only to be disrespected by misplaced rantings like the one above (personally boils my blood to see people ranting from their armchairs so nonchalantly with the cliche "I say this because I care".)

Countless times, the convoys ambushed have had their officers leading from the front in the first vehicle in the convoy.

So why state things which are factually incorrect? There are officers and men from same districts and tehsils in our army today. This isn't the Raj army any longer where we have the indifferent gora officer lording over the native jawan. Every jawan lost registers with the unit and the officers in charge.

I don't claim to know everything about the Fauj, but judging by your post more than you at least. My father's side of the family is nearly non-existent today because they were mostly in army as jawaans (not officers.

Yes, the junior guys like 2nd Lt, Captain and Major also die but at a far lower rate than the lower class jawaans and when they do, there is much fanfare over it. The Jawaan on other hand is like tissue paper, many times their losses are not even reported. There is serious effort to hide losses.


The only branch where this dynamic is opposite is PAF.

 

[Cipher212]

Their will ALWAYS be insurgency, what don't you understand about this

GHQ have understood this

They have understood years ago this is a POPULATION problem
Not a terrorism problem

If can't happen in Punjab for example, do you know why?
Because local people will inform the security forces and demand action to make their areas peaceful for life and business




Their will ALWAYS be low level conflict and our objective is to keep it low level as best we can and the sacrifice of a few hundred security to defend the country is deemed acceptable losses

India was given a bloody nose last year

Vital alliances for the future of the Muslim world are being made


The Baloch and pashtuns will be used against Pakistan and
We have managed to kick millions of Afghans out and we have millions more to remove
We must continue striking Afghanistan and supporting conflicts inside Afghanistan to burn them from within


Their will never be a conclusion unless you want to mass massacre Afghanistan because we have people on our side who support them as ethnic kin




So as long as the conflict is kept to the tribal areas
We lose a few hundred per year
They lose a few thousand
And the local donkeys continue to live their usual shit lives

Then life will go on



Does GHQ want a end to these conflicts?
Sure, but they know it will take a long long time and the locals will need to suffer a lot lot more before they start changing their ways if ever

With the solutions that Fauj presents to us, yes this is true. There will be an insurgency till the world ends.

Because Fauj doesn't understand anything other than shooting at a problem till it's gone (temporarily). Not bothered with researching things like root causes or socio economic factors. That shit ain't covered in 3 short years at PMA.

Its not their fault either. They are a military at the end of day. Not a political party, try as they might.

 

[Goenitz]

Gora sahibs have been replaced by brown sahibs and Company Bahadur and Raj have been replaced by Fauj Bahadur. At least in the Raj, the ICS and judiciary were independent and independently answerable to the India office in London. Now, everyone is under the control of the fauj.

I take your point about the sacrifices made by lower rank officers in the field, but, unlike the Air Force and Navy, which still retain their character as professional militaries, the Army's capture of the state means it self selects careerists who are more adept at politicking than soldiering to rise to the top brass.

officers also get in the crosshairs. It is just that the ratio is too big, so many jawans lay down their lives comparatively. After being Brig & above, it is more of an operational responsibility.

Lastly, it is a very thin elite who have relatives in politics, the army, CSS, etc who enjoy perks and privileges at the cost of the public, jawans, law & order and the entire Pakistan.

 

[hussain0216]

With the solutions that Fauj presents to us, yes this is true. There will be an insurgency till the world ends.

Because Fauj doesn't understand anything other than shooting at a problem till it's gone (temporarily). Not bothered with researching things like root causes or socio economic factors. That shit ain't covered in 3 short years at PMA.

Its not their fault either. They are a military at the end of day. Not a political party, try as they might.

Fcuk social economic factors I will be clear, I don't give a crap about politics this or social that

I absolutely DO NOT want the state to come up with a solution with the Afghans or BLA Baloch

No politics,
Don't waste tax payers money improving their lives

I do not want these people as citizens of Pakistan

I am comfortable with trying to minimize deaths per year and in response we kill afghans and BLA Baloch and make the lives of their people and supporters hell FOREVER

Until judgement day



We have kicked out millions of Afghans, I want millions more thrown out
Make the life of afghans anywhere in the country unbearable
Use the conflict to take their homes, get their kids out of education and work,
Confiscate their homes and properties and businesses


Go for the major cities, Karachi especially


Only concentrate on pro Pakistan areas of Balochistan, only spend money there


For everywhere else GIVE NOTHING, no gas, no electricity, no school, no work, no nothing
Make the weather and life hurt them for us


GHQ know their is no point wasting money on these worthless bastards, just keep FC and TTP/BLA/locals fight it out eternally