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[Pakistan First]

@Owaiz

You started bashing KSA going back 100 years on how House of Saud found power. Infact it was military and strategic planning of their tribe to unify the arabia. Otherwise today entire KSA would be dozens of tiny countries like Bahrain. And Israel would have defence pact with those small territories (like Bahrain today)... instead Thanks to house of Saud, Its unified KSA today and has defence pact with Pakistan & Turkey.

But anyways if you are willing to start from 1930s then you must appreciate that all arab states had strict stance against Israel until very recently despite US pressures (by turn of this century). But on other hand pre-1979 Iran was strategic / covert ally of Israel and they had strategic alignment, even intelligence sharing.

KSA recognition means Pakistan and Indonesia follow suit and then smaller Muslim countries will say if those big nations joined Israel then why not us ?

Before the Iran wars Mr Hussain Haqqani, of Memogate fame, who now lives in and works for the UAE, was pushing a similar line on Pakistan tv stations about Abraham Accords.

Don't blame KSA for Pakistan's doing. Its well known fact that Pakistan army wanted to have normalization with Israel till Gaza genocide happened. I said, "its well known fact". Because Army aligned journalists went to Israel few times in the past. There's no way they could have gone on their own. If Pakistan truly wants to not normalize with Israel then it can just stay away even if KSA joins abraham accords. Though KSA isn't going to join it. If they didn't join it despite massive pressure by US and after all those houthis/ Iranian attacks that means they are solid on their stance. Despite Iran and Iran aligned miiltias are pushing them to go opposite side.

 

[Pakistan First]

@Owaiz @Watandar

I am appalled by you guys trying to paint that House of Saud was Israeli / west supporter and Iran was anti-west / anti-israel. Well, how do you define below events then ? and how then you will support your fake narrative that arab states are puppets?

Arabs put a ban on export of OIL to Western countries While Iran supported Western countries and Israel.
1- In 1970s, United States announced a major $22 million military resupply package for Israel - OAPEC led prominently by Saudi Arabia's King Faisal retaliated hard. Putting complete blanket ban on export of oil to all western countries that supported Israel like United States, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Canada, Japan, and other nations perceived as pro-Israel, alongside severe production cuts.

Iran’s Position During the Embargo

• No Participation: Iran rejected to join embargo against Western countries.
• Profiteering: The Shah aggressively pushed for higher oil prices within OPEC meetings but publicly urged the Arab states to lift the embargo, warning that it would damage the global economy and backfire on producers.
• Supplying the West and Israel: Iran continued shipping petroleum to Western countries and remained a quiet, vital oil supplier to Israel during this period.

So, read history before blaming arabs for being puppets. It was Iran, who was lifeline for the west and Israel for greater period of 20th century.

 

[Watandar]

@Owaiz @Watandar

I am appalled by you guys trying to paint that House of Saud was Israeli / west supporter and Iran was anti-west / anti-israel. Well, how do you define below events then ? and how then you will support your fake narrative that arab states are puppets?

Arabs put a ban on export of OIL to Western countries While Iran supported Western countries and Israel.
1- In 1970s, United States announced a major $22 million military resupply package for Israel - OAPEC led prominently by Saudi Arabia's King Faisal retaliated hard. Putting complete blanket ban on export of oil to all western countries that supported Israel like United States, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Canada, Japan, and other nations perceived as pro-Israel, alongside severe production cuts.

Iran’s Position During the Embargo

• No Participation: Iran rejected to join embargo against Western countries.
• Profiteering: The Shah aggressively pushed for higher oil prices within OPEC meetings but publicly urged the Arab states to lift the embargo, warning that it would damage the global economy and backfire on producers.
• Supplying the West and Israel: Iran continued shipping petroleum to Western countries and remained a quiet, vital oil supplier to Israel during this period.

So, read history before blaming arabs for being puppets. It was Iran, who was lifeline for the west and Israel for greater period of 20th century.

Read history yourself , especially the period from 1980 to present. You could also read about how the House of Saud conquered Arabia in cooperation with and upon the advice of the India Colonial Office.

Sir Percy Cox , Gertrude Bell, TE Lawrence and the Cairo Conference of 1921 have more to do with the modern borders of the Middle East than any tribal chieftain they selected to carry out their agenda.

 

[Shags202]

@Owaiz @Watandar

I am appalled by you guys trying to paint that House of Saud was Israeli / west supporter and Iran was anti-west / anti-israel. Well, how do you define below events then ? and how then you will support your fake narrative that arab states are puppets?

Arabs put a ban on export of OIL to Western countries While Iran supported Western countries and Israel.
1- In 1970s, United States announced a major $22 million military resupply package for Israel - OAPEC led prominently by Saudi Arabia's King Faisal retaliated hard. Putting complete blanket ban on export of oil to all western countries that supported Israel like United States, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Canada, Japan, and other nations perceived as pro-Israel, alongside severe production cuts.

Iran’s Position During the Embargo

• No Participation: Iran rejected to join embargo against Western countries.
• Profiteering: The Shah aggressively pushed for higher oil prices within OPEC meetings but publicly urged the Arab states to lift the embargo, warning that it would damage the global economy and backfire on producers.
• Supplying the West and Israel: Iran continued shipping petroleum to Western countries and remained a quiet, vital oil supplier to Israel during this period.

So, read history before blaming arabs for being puppets. It was Iran, who was lifeline for the west and Israel for greater period of 20th century.

Not trying to be that guy but you know we are talking about Iran under the shah doesn’t have anything to do with today’s Iran now what the other guys were talking about I don’t know I just pooped into this thread for a second and I saw your post and sorry not really relevant with Iran today

 

[Pakistan First]

Read history yourself , especially the period from 1980 to present. You could also read about how the House of Saud conquered Arabia in cooperation with and upon the advice of the India Colonial Office.

No, I don't read selective history. I cannot discard what Iran was doing pre-1979. Also the point is if House of Saud was a puppet of west then how come it had so tough stance against Israel almost entire its history - and how come it led the oil embargo against collective West ? That oil embargo brought markets on their knees. and Its not just one time oil embargo, They did actions against western hegemony time and again. 1986 "Market Share" Price Crash etc.

So accusations made by you guys have no weight. Those are fake. Iran was more Pro-West & buddy of Israel than arab nations when it suited them.

Point is every country / leaders / regimes take decisions based on what "presently" benefits them. There is no Good or bad guys. If you get into this then you will find your universe upside down as your "Good guy" has enough sins under its name.

 

[Pakistan First]

Not trying to be that guy but you know we are talking about Iran under the shah doesn’t have anything to do with today’s Iran now what the other guys were talking about I don’t know I just pooped into this thread for a second and I saw your post and sorry not really relevant with Iran today

I know 100%. But people here were painting a picture that arabs / KSA were always puppets of west and friends of Israel. They started from 1930s... Its quite opposite .. so If they started history 100 years ago. Then I must remind them what the history was. Arabs were totally against Israel and on other hand Iran rejected many moves which could have hurt Israel back then. Iran became life line of Israel when entire arab world and Pakistan were pushing against Israel.

 

[retaxis]

No, I don't read selective history. I cannot discard what Iran was doing pre-1979. Also the point is if House of Saud was a puppet of west then how come it had so tough stance against Israel almost entire its history - and how come it led the oil embargo against collective West ? That oil embargo brought markets on their knees. and Its not just one time oil embargo, They did actions against western hegemony time and again. 1986 "Market Share" Price Crash etc.

So accusations made by you guys have no weight. Those are fake. Iran was more Pro-West & buddy of Israel than arab nations when it suited them.

Point is every country / leaders / regimes take decisions based on what "presently" benefits them. There is no Good or bad guys. If you get into this then you will find your universe upside down as your "Good guy" has enough sins under its name.

Its not the 1970s anymore why you bring up a world that no longer exist?

 

[Watandar]

No, I don't read selective history. I cannot discard what Iran was doing pre-1979. Also the point is if House of Saud was a puppet of west then how come it had so tough stance against Israel almost entire its history - and how come it led the oil embargo against collective West ? That oil embargo brought markets on their knees. and Its not just one time oil embargo, They did actions against western hegemony time and again. 1986 "Market Share" Price Crash etc.

So accusations made by you guys have no weight. Those are fake. Iran was more Pro-West & buddy of Israel than arab nations when it suited them.

Point is every country / leaders / regimes take decisions based on what "presently" benefits them. There is no Good or bad guys. If you get into this then you will find your universe upside down as your "Good guy" has enough sins under its name.

That embargo was the work of King Faisal only and resulted in his assassination. Before and after him the Saudis were the loyal puppets and implementers of the West, having been appointed to this position in the first place by the India Colonal Office, just all ALL of the other monarchs of the Middle East, except Turkiye.

Yes you see it was the British/Europeans who created the modern region and drew its borders, not the natives. That has been a big cause of the subsequent instability and violence.

You would know this is you had actually read a history book.

 

[Watandar]

Its not the 1970s anymore why you bring up a world that no longer exist?

Because Pakistanis have been indoctrinated to literally worship the holy al Sauds since the 1980s and some of them are feeling pain at the comeuppance of the Al Sauds.

Many of them even think "Saudi Arabia" has existed since the 7th century and not that it is a creation of the British Empire in the 1920's.

 

[Pakistan First]

That embargo was the work of King Faisal only and resulted in his assassination. Before and after him the Saudis were the loyal puppets and implementers of the West, having been appointed to this position in the first place by the India Colonal Office, just all ALL of the other monarchs of the Middle East, except Turkiye.

Yes you see it was the British/Europeans who created the modern region and drew its borders, not the natives.

You would know this is you had actually read a history book.

Well dear by that logic, Pakistan & India are also a british project. So all those countries, most of Asia and Africa... They will remain puppet of British for eternity ? I mean your statement is hilarious.

Even some Chinese territories were occupied / remained influenced by the British.. So they are also puppets of UK for eternity ? till judgement day ?

What logic is this ? If one comes to blanket statements and accusations then there's a lot that can be thrown at Turkey too. So as I said before, I will repeat.

Point is every country / leaders / regimes take decisions based on what "presently" benefits them. There is no Good or bad guys. If you get into this then you will find your universe upside down as your "Good guy" has enough sins under its name.

 

[Shags202]

I know 100%. But people here were painting a picture that arabs / KSA were always puppets of west and friends of Israel. They started from 1930s... Its quite opposite .. so If they started history 100 years ago. Then I must remind them what the history was. Arabs were totally against Israel and on other hand Iran rejected many moves which could have hurt Israel back then. Iran became life line of Israel when entire arab world and Pakistan were pushing against Israel.

I agree it started going really downhill 2000s more than anything trust me we know these Arab “leaders” are disgusting the kids of the past generation have no backbone that’s all I’m saying about it

 

[Pakistan First]

Many of them even think "Saudi Arabia" has existed since the 7th century and not that it is a creation of the British Empire in the 1920's.

That's most childish statement ever. And you say I am indoctrinated LMAO ?

The land can have many names over the period of time and it can be ruled by many different rulers over a long period. But land and its people are always original. Pakistan is land of indus valley civilization that is one of the oldest civilizations ever. Similarly KSA is modern name of 7th century arabia.

Your worshipped "Iran" was butchered and conquered by Mongols. Should we say it was a Mongole Project?... Oh wait, Arabs (Hazrat Omar) conquered it too ? if I am not wrong.. So was Iran Arabs Project ??... OH waitt... It was conquered by Greeks too...... list goes on......... Grow up dude!

So don't pick and choose.. by saying every other country as "british project" LMAO! Well India you are also british project... China too... KSA too... LMAO! this guy.

 

[Watandar]

Well dear by that logic, Pakistan & India are also a british project. So all those countries, most of Asia and Africa... They will remain puppet of British for eternity ? I mean your statement is hilarious.

Even some Chinese territories were occupied / remained influenced by the British.. So they are also puppets of UK for eternity ? till judgement day ?

What logic is this ? If one comes to blanket statements and accusations then there's a lot that can be thrown at Turkey too. So as I said before, I will repeat.

Point is every country / leaders / regimes take decisions based on what "presently" benefits them. There is no Good or bad guys. If you get into this then you will find your universe upside down as your "Good guy" has enough sins under its name.

No my dear the world is not that cookie cutter. India/Pakistan were created post WW2 by an exhausted British to satisfy the demands of a long running native political movement that wanted independence. Post independence the two countries took different paths with India aligning with the Soviets and Pakistan with the US.

This is a different story from the creation of the nations of the modern middle East , which encompasses the period 1910 to 1930 and almost entirely relies on the British imperialists empowering local chieftains to first fight the Ottomans, and then each other to form new countries. These countries than acted as client states of the British uptill WW2 and of the US after WW2.

You would know this if you had actually read a history book.

Back to the actual topic of the thread.

 

[Watandar]

That's most childish statement ever. And you say I am indoctrinated LMAO ?

The land can have many names over the period of time and it can be ruled by many different rulers over a long period. But land and its people are always original. Pakistan is land of indus valley civilization that is one of the oldest civilizations ever. Similarly KSA is modern name of 7th century arabia.

Your worshipped "Iran" was butchered and conquered by Mongols. Should we say it was a Mongole Project?... Oh wait, Arabs (Hazrat Omar) conquered it too ? if I am not wrong.. So was Iran Arabs Project ??... OH waitt... It was conquered by Greeks too...... list goes on......... Grow up dude!

So don't pick and choose.. by saying every other country as "british project" LMAO! Well India you are also british project... China too... KSA too... LMAO! this guy.

You silly rant here makes no sense. You think every country comes out of the same factory the same way. Clueless