Israel signs €3 billion arms export deal with Greece, defence ministry says

[Ravenman]

Waste of taxpayer money.

Arming Greece against Turkey is like arming Fenerbahce against Real Madrid.

 

[Foinikas]

Waste of taxpayer money.

Arming Greece against Turkey is like arming Fenerbahce against Real Madrid.

If the Americans told Turkey "don't arm against us,it's useless,just give us what we want",
would you conform?

 

[Foinikas]

The problem with a lot of Turks and unfortunately from what I see here some Pakistanis as well,is they mock the whole "source code" thing without having understood the whole story. To a certain degree it's understandable,because many Greeks didn't get it either. And all that because of our MoD's slip of the tongue and of some media's confusion.

@Ali_Baba tagging you here because I doubt you checked the post I told you about. And because people like Oublious and hyperman rush to downplay everything,saying stuff like "haha greek will only push the button" or "israelis will shut it off" or "they will know everything that happens and send info to Tel-Aviv",such childish claims should be addressed.

1.The mix-up was about source codes. There will be a greek C2. The C2 will be ours.
No country gives source codes for such significant equipment just like that.

Did Turkey get source codes for the S-400s or getting all of it for the Eurofighters?

To think that we'd be getting free source codes for just a 3 billion deal is ridiculous. Both for Greeks who thought we'd be getting them and for Turks who are now saying "haha they didn't give them the codes,they tricked them".

What we'll be having is our own C2.

2.Out of the €3 billion total cost, €700 million will go directly to 19 Greek defense companies. This is because the government insisted on greek companies having at least 25% participation.

3.Some of you say "why spend money on that,Turkey so strong" or "why not buy something else".

Because no matter how warfare has been changing,countries still need air defence,at least on a basic level,as conflicts in Nagorno-Karabakh,Ukraine,Pakistan-India,Iran and the Gulf have shown. You still need Air Defence. And I'm sure Pakistanis and Indians here will attest to that.

And Greece has a relatively big number of systems and batteries to replace.

4.Some,for example hyperman,criticized the purchase and said we should have gone for the French. As a France fanboy myself I wanted that option. But there were some obstacles,mainly financial ones. You see,the Israeli package was apparently 3 times cheaper. The French as you know,have great quality,but are quite expensive. Another problem was the alleged talks between Italy-Turkey-France about the SAMP/T.

So,I hope I answered some of your questions. I'm sure some of you will keep bashing and trying to downplay the whole deal,but when I see Turkish media constantly complain about every major purchase we make,it means we're good.

 

[MMM-E]

It means You are not good

The systems' algorithms for distinguishing between friendly and hostile elements are embedded within the codes. Greece can not fully control which targets the system perceives as threats or which ones it ignores


on the other hand , Turkiye secured Russia's agreement to the condition that the Friend or Foe Identification (IFF) software be integrated into the system using domestic capabilities, ensuring that control over the system remains entirely in its own hands. Consequently, the system's target identification decisions are managed by Türkiye, independent of external influence

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Greece might not be able to hit US made systems such as F-16 , F-35 or NATO assets using Israeli-made Air Defense Systems

Türkiye could shoot down a Russian-made fighter jet using its own S-400 missiles. Thanks to integrated indigenous software, it is technically impossible for Russia to remotely intervene in the system to protect Russian Air Force

 

[Foinikas]

It means You are not good

The systems' algorithms for distinguishing between friendly and hostile elements are embedded within the codes. Greece can not fully control which targets the system perceives as threats or which ones it ignores


on the other hand , Turkiye secured Russia's agreement to the condition that the Friend or Foe Identification (IFF) software be integrated into the system using domestic capabilities, ensuring that control over the system remains entirely in its own hands. Consequently, the system's target identification decisions are managed by Türkiye, independent of external influence

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Greece might not be able to hit US made systems such as F-16 , F-35 or NATO assets using Israeli-made Air Defense Systems

Türkiye could shoot down a Russian-made fighter jet using its own S-400 missiles. Thanks to integrated indigenous software, it is technically impossible for Russia to remotely intervene in the system to protect Russian Air Force

I'm having a "blast" with this on google AI Why? Because it just says things in a better way

 

[MMM-E]

Greece can not do it , because Greece doesnt have its own IFF System and C4ISR

So , Greece utilizes NATO's Air Command and Control System infrastructure

on the other hand , Turkiye has developed its own MOD-5 IFF System and HAKIM C4ISR that possesses the capability to independently employ the S-400 against all airborne elements, including Russian Fighter Jets

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What will happen if relations between Türkiye and Israel improve down the line or if Israel driven by its own interests decides it does not want to clash with Türkiye ?

During the 1982 Falklands War, Argentina struck several British Warships with French-made Exocet missiles. subsequently, France betrayed Argentina by handing over the Exocet missiles' source codes, radar frequencies, and classified technical details regarding their seeker heads to The UK and the UK won the war.

 

[Foinikas]

Greece can not do it , because Greece doesnt have its own IFF System and C4ISR

So , Greece utilizes NATO's Air Command and Control System infrastructure

on the other hand , Turkiye has developed its own MOD-5 IFF System and HAKIM C4ISR that possesses the capability to independently employ the S-400 against all airborne elements, including Russian Fighter Jets

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What will happen if relations between Türkiye and Israel improve down the line or if Israel driven by its own interests decides it does not want to clash with Türkiye ?

During the 1982 Falklands War, Argentina struck several British Warships with French-made Exocet missiles. subsequently, France betrayed Argentina by handing over the Exocet missiles' source codes, radar frequencies, and classified technical details regarding their seeker heads to The UK and the UK won the war.

Greece is getting its own C2 system. Stop being so jealy.