4 New PAF Air Defence Systems

[Starlord]

I would argue that the army can be cut by some percentage, 10/15% and the air force should be doubled in size.

I 100% agree with you, our Air force needs a big Boost, addition 3-4 sqs of 4++ Gen fighter jets, be it JF-17b3's or J-10CE's or F-16'sV's or mix of all. We already are down 1 sq which we send to KSA, so i hope PAF is working to fill whatever Gap they got from this deployment.

 

[Vapnope]

Was RBS Bolide used in May last year?

 

[KingQamaR]

Why you need anti Aircraft -gun systems against Drones. . We should follow German company Kraus Mafei did with there anti aircraft- guns they have a data link to share info in targets with other Geopards.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Well, with UAV’s (drones) becoming more common and cheaper, I guess there could be a need for such systems, especially in anti -drone/ terror scenarios. I think if Pakistan had been moving -away from gun-based short-range anti-air missiles is a mistake. Missiles can be defeated , bullets cant. Gun base platform are so relevant in a modern war vs drones etc .

During the Rusdia-Ukrainan War, anti-air guns and heavy machine guns, and their ammo showed the highest rate of shortage in supply! Hence, the Turkish MIC has established specialized companies like Sarsilmaz to cater for such needs....

 

[KingQamaR]

Pakistan in theory could convert there old American armoured M113s chassis into an anti aircraft gun systems. Fixing a mounted gatlin Gun or sort technical assistance from China or Turkey.

 

[KingQamaR]

Any advances is a laser-based system? Or is it too sci-fi at this stage?

Oh no. That’s way more difficult and complicated for Pakistan unless China helps them in the future

 

[Pakistan First]

How many batteries of each are procured ?

I suspect not much. PAF lately is inducting very few numbers of mixture of systems. MALE UAVs of different types / origin were inducted but each in very few numbers. Something that I don't understand. Why? Instead could have gone for Shahpur but at greater numbers. Why we needed TB2 for ?

For these new air defense systems, the important question is not just how many types of air-defense units PAF has procured, but important question is scaling. Can you really install / position all these systems for all of the major airbases? Have we procured enough ?

I'd assume we don't have numbers yet unless officially claimed otherwise.

 

[Ali_Baba]

How many batteries of each are procured ?

I suspect not much. PAF lately is inducting very few numbers of mixture of systems. MALE UAVs of different types / origin were inducted but each in very few numbers. Something that I don't understand. Why? Instead could have gone for Shahpur but at greater numbers. Why we needed TB2 for ?

For these new air defense systems, the important question is not just how many types of air-defense units PAF has procured, but important question is scaling. Can you really install / position all these systems for all of the major airbases? Have we procured enough ?

I'd assume we don't have numbers yet unless officially claimed otherwise.

Enough for at least of each type for each airbase, and then for major overground control centres, and logistic bases, right ?

 

[Signalian]

There are lessons to be learnt from Ukraine war, not just from the 2025 skirmish of Pak-India. The dynamics of drone utilization by India will change within hours, basically multiple times a day.

There are better C-UAS systems available in the market than only using ground based AD against smaller drones.

 

[Intervention-06]

There are lessons to be learnt from Ukraine war, not just from the 2025 skirmish of Pak-India. The dynamics of drone utilization by India will change within hours, basically multiple times a day.

There are better C-UAS systems available in the market than only using ground based AD against smaller drones.

Can you specify theindian threat and which systems are better ?

 

[Signalian]

Can you specify theindian threat and which systems are better ?

India has more drone numbers and types than Pakistan. Various suppliers, best are the ones from USA. I get varying numbers but in every chart/graph/stats, India has way more drones than Pakistan.

see LM market share.



India was already ahead 10 years ago.



The concerning thing is deployment strategy, which means use of AI and DL to deploy drones and LMs. Most of this will be decided by AI under certain parameters without much human input.

 

[Signalian]

In Electronic warfare like Jamming environment, drones and LMs will use Visual Inertial Odometry (VIO) & CNNs so the drone ignores lost GPS/Radio; navigates purely via optical sight.

To avoid long range radar detection, they will use Predictive Terrain Masking Algorithms, which Exploits ground noise; hides below radar line-of-sight.

Against Missile Interceptors, they will use Decentralized Swarm Intelligence (MARL), which Forces interceptor exhaustion on decoys; coordinates multi-angle saturation.

To counter Automated Point-Defence Guns (AAA guns), they will use Deep Reinforcement Learning (DRL) Controls, which Executes erratic, non-linear flight paths that ruin automated gun lead calculations.

For Radar Deactivation/Stealth, Edge-Based YOLO Visual Target Verification will be used, so they Lock onto the literal vehicle chassis; immune to radar counter tactics.

 

[ACE OF HEARTS]

Range = 200 km

 

[maverik]

In Electronic warfare like Jamming environment, drones and LMs will use Visual Inertial Odometry (VIO) & CNNs so the drone ignores lost GPS/Radio; navigates purely via optical sight.

To avoid long range radar detection, they will use Predictive Terrain Masking Algorithms, which Exploits ground noise; hides below radar line-of-sight.

Against Missile Interceptors, they will use Decentralized Swarm Intelligence (MARL), which Forces interceptor exhaustion on decoys; coordinates multi-angle saturation.

To counter Automated Point-Defence Guns (AAA guns), they will use Deep Reinforcement Learning (DRL) Controls, which Executes erratic, non-linear flight paths that ruin automated gun lead calculations.

For Radar Deactivation/Stealth, Edge-Based YOLO Visual Target Verification will be used, so they Lock onto the literal vehicle chassis; immune to radar counter tactics.

in simple words .. next round will be nasty one for both sides

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Any advances is a laser-based system? Or is it too sci-fi at this stage?

Laser -based systems are extremely- short range systems, for medium and long-range drones we need missile based anti-drone systems for medium and long-range drones