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Azerbaycan Netenyahu konuşurken salonu terk etmedi.

We need a plan where we get rid of this moron in Baku.

 

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[GoatsMilk]

Azerbaycan Netenyahu konuşurken salonu terk etmedi.

We need a plan where we get rid of this moron in Baku.

If Azerbaijan went openly against isreal, that would have meant when armenia started the war against them, they would have faced pressure from not only Russia, Iran and France/EU, but also America and Isreal. Zionism is the only force that can subdue and honestly completely shit all over the white christian axis, Azerbaijan did what was required to get their lands back.

China is doing evil things in eastern Turkestan, most Muslim states for personal benefit have relations with China. Most of Russia not so long ago was Muslim lands and most Muslims have no issue with that. Don't forget the recent murder they commited in the caucuses against Muslims.

The greeks did evil things towards the Muslim in cyprus and currently are doing everything to help zionists against Turkiye, yet most of the Muslim world has great relations with them.

If Turks fool themselves concerning geopolitics, they will lose and lose big time.

even the iranians who screamed against the great satan and the little satan are doing everything to pull themselves out of a war they instigated for over the last 50 years.

 

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If Azerbaijan went openly against isreal, that would have meant when armenia started the war against them, they would have faced pressure from not only Russia, Iran and France/EU, but also America and Isreal. Zionism is the only force that can subdue and honestly completely shit all over the white christian axis, Azerbaijan did what was required to get their lands back.

China is doing evil things in eastern Turkestan, most Muslim states for personal benefit have relations with China. Most of Russia not so long ago was Muslim lands and most Muslims have no issue with that. Don't forget the recent murder they commited in the caucuses against Muslims.

The greeks did evil things towards the Muslim in cyprus and currently are doing everything to help zionists against Turkiye, yet most of the Muslim world has great relations with them.

If Turks fool themselves concerning geopolitics, they will lose and lose big time.

even the iranians who screamed against the great satan and the little satan are doing everything to pull themselves out of a war they instigated for over the last 50 years.

The Israel thing would have made no difference. The only ones in the caucasus that can do anything are Turkey, Russia and Iran. The Azeris made sure the Russians wouldn't interfere as they built a relationship with Russia enough so that direct action would be bad for Russia, plus the involvement of Turkey placing F-16s in Azerbaijan as a warning that it would intervene if a 3rd party intervened against Azerbaijan.

What Azerbaijan did that was smart was that it minimized civilian casualties and it was a swift operation, so by the time news spread it was already over. The first conflict lasted about 6 weeks, largely is unpopulated mountain areas or abandoned areas from the previous war in the south, with minimal civilian casualties, I think overall Armenia only reported 85 civilian casualties.



The second operation only lasted 1 day, and it was over before they even had a chance to call a UN Security council meeting, which France did and was held several days after it was already over and Separatists had surrendered and were holding negotiations.

 

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Americans could have sanctioned the f'k out of Azerbaijan. That would have been enough to stop any military operation.

Don't forget even Turkiye as a NATO ally was facing many open and hidden sanctions every time we moved in the region. Do you remember all of the embargoes on TB2 parts because of their use against Armenians?

Don't underestimate the damage the americans can do if they choose to come after you. America is the real source of Israeli power.

Iranians spent 50 years boasting all kinds of bullshit against america and you see where that got them.

 

[hyperman]

Americans could have sanctioned the f'k out of Azerbaijan. That would have been enough to stop any military operation.

Don't forget even Turkiye as a NATO ally was facing many open and hidden sanctions every time we moved in the region. Do you remember all of the embargoes on TB2 parts because of their use against Armenians?

Don't underestimate the damage the americans can do if they choose to come after you. America is the real source of Israeli power.

Iranians spent 50 years boasting all kinds of bullshit against america and you see where that got them.

Its not in US realpolitik interests to sanction Azerbaijan. The armenians have emotional and social pull with the lobby in the US, but in terms of hard realpolitik, Azeris area the gatekeepers to Central Asia, the Middle Corridor, a strategic position in the Caucasus as well as tied to Turkey. Whereas Armenians are CSTO, with relations with Russia and Iran, from the US perspective in terms of hard realpolitik, the alignment favors Azerbaijan.

 

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Its not in US realpolitik interests to sanction Azerbaijan. The armenians have emotional and social pull with the lobby in the US, but in terms of hard realpolitik, Azeris area the gatekeepers to Central Asia, the Middle Corridor, a strategic position in the Caucasus as well as tied to Turkey. Whereas Armenians are CSTO, with relations with Russia and Iran, from the US perspective in terms of hard realpolitik, the alignment favors Azerbaijan.

Partly true, but there is also a zionist agenda in the region that wants to see all rival neutered. Azerbaijan is an extension of Turkish influence, Turkish influence extending is not something zionists want.

If Azerbaijan was against isreal the way Turkiye is, she would not have been supported. Despite Armenia being an ally of Russia and Iran and thus an enemy of the west, there was still plenty of room to apply pressure on Turkiye and Azerbaijan.

If Azerbaijan had been stupid, the americans would have come down hard on them during the war.

right now its not good for Azerbaijan or Turkiye for Azerbaijan to join the anti-isreal bandwagon. The outcome will change nothing for isreal, but it will heavily effect Azerbaijan.

Just like Turkiye today has to bite the bullet in certain geopolitical, until she fields her own airforce, timing is critical for when you choose to go after your enemies.

 

[hyperman]

Partly true, but there is also a zionist agenda in the region that wants to see all rival neutered. Azerbaijan is an extension of Turkish influence, Turkish influence extending is not something zionists want.

If Azerbaijan was against isreal the way Turkiye is, she would not have been supported. Despite Armenia being an ally of Russia and Iran and thus an enemy of the west, there was still plenty of room to apply pressure on Turkiye and Azerbaijan.

If Azerbaijan had been stupid, the americans would have come down hard on them during the war.

right now its not good for Azerbaijan or Turkiye for Azerbaijan to join the anti-isreal bandwagon. The outcome will change nothing for isreal, but it will heavily effect Azerbaijan.

Just like Turkiye today has to bite the bullet in certain geopolitical, until she fields her own airforce, timing is critical for when you choose to go after your enemies.

I don't think anyone is asking the Azeris to join any badwagon. From the Turkish perspective, it would be better if whatever they were buying from Israel and getting, they buy a turkish equivalent instead if it exists. As well as don't allow the Israelis to have a physical presence in Azerbaijan. I don't like that Israeli operatives operate out of Azerbaijan, its not good for the region and its not good for Turkey. As well Aliyev buys things from Israelis not because he needs them or he can't get it from Turkey, but specifically because he triangulates and doesn't want to become reliant on Turkey, this is his own effort, and they don't want to become too much of a "Little Brother", and give Turkey too much leverage over them. I guess from his perspective it makes sense, but with the Israelis it creates complication in the region that in the long terms can be detrimental to the region and Turkish interests.

If he wants to diversify away from complete Turkish reliance(despite what Turkey did for him in Karabakh) he would be better off going to the Chinese instead of getting tied up with Israel, b/c Israel's sole reason for involvement with him is Iran, and if he does something stupid and gets into a fight with Iran, this complicates things for Turkey, b/c Turkey has an obligation to help them via treaty. So its best to avoid the tension in the first place if possible.