Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

More explosions in Hormuz as Iran tries to hit something anything while Argachi sits in New York begging for a deal and a Gucci handbag

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Master Chief]

Iran offers US deal to reopen Strait of Hormuz in seven days

Asked about the Iranian offer, a US official told the BBC "constructive discussions" were taking place through mediators.

www.bbc.co.uk

MSM also reporting this now.

 

[Shags202]

Iran offers US deal to reopen Strait of Hormuz in seven days

Asked about the Iranian offer, a US official told the BBC "constructive discussions" were taking place through mediators.

www.bbc.co.uk

MSM also reporting this now.

The Iranian offer is basically telling Trump take it or leave it funny thing is these ships are getting through but but honestly be it dozen or several dozen its not going to fix a huge problem that’s not going to go away overnight or in a year they’re still releasing their reserves internationally to keep oil from really exploding no real long term fix unless there’s a just solution and yes just solution for the party who didn’t start this war

 

[Master Chief]

The Iranian offer is basically telling Trump take it or leave it funny thing is these ships are getting through but but honestly be it dozen or several dozen its not going to fix a huge problem that’s not going to go away overnight or in a year they’re still releasing their reserves internationally to keep oil from really exploding no real long term fix unless there’s a just solution and yes just solution for the party who didn’t start this war

The MoU from June remains a good "deal" if implemented. But IMHO, Israel will not allow its implementation. You will recall it was their actions against Lebanon that scuppered it initially.

 

[Shags202]

The MoU from June remains a good "deal" if implemented. But IMHO, Israel will not allow its implementation. You will recall it was their actions against Lebanon that scuppered it initially.

If the reports are true Qatar is begging for this to be done but Trump took their nice plane and said no Americans.(Trump) will cover any and all monetary losses that Bibis “government” may face for the time being

 

[Oracle]

28 Oct Israel elections
Bibi will lose it unless election stops.... And it's only possible if Iran attack Israel.

Another wave is pending and coming soon before Oct 28

 

[BananaRepublic]

The MoU from June remains a good "deal" if implemented. But IMHO, Israel will not allow its implementation. You will recall it was their actions against Lebanon that scuppered it initially.

The “MoU” is too little too late now.

If Iranians are prepared to dig in like U.K. under German Luftwaffe assault - Iranians will achieve a victory like U.K. achieved over Nazi Germany.

Iran must get the bomb at all costs. Nothing else should matter from now on.

But if Iran folds like Vichy France - they will live as slaves like their Arab cousins.

The choice is entirely In Iranian hands.

 

[Falcon29]

If the reports are true Qatar is begging for this to be done but Trump took their nice plane and said no Americans.(Trump) will cover any and all monetary losses that Bibis “government” may face for the time being

Qatar begging for what ? lol

Trump is prolonging conflict for some interests related reasons. He can order more weeks of strikes aimed at degrading Iranian military capabilities at any time but is refusing to do so.

What those interests are is up for debate.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Qatar begging for what ? lol

Trump is prolonging conflict for some interests related reasons. He can order more weeks of strikes aimed at degrading Iranian military capabilities at any time but is refusing to do so.

What those interests are is up for debate.

Any military targets they were capable of taking out they have already done so.

The only thing that remains is an obliteration of civilian infrastructure and people.

But that will yield harsh Iranian response which will destroy the petro dollar for ever and Trump’s personal wealth tied up with the Arabs.

Trump doesn’t care about anyone else but he does care about protecting his ill gotten gains.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The Iranian offer is basically telling Trump take it or leave it funny thing is these ships are getting through but but honestly be it dozen or several dozen its not going to fix a huge problem that’s not going to go away overnight or in a year they’re still releasing their reserves internationally to keep oil from really exploding no real long term fix unless there’s a just solution and yes just solution for the party who didn’t start this war

That would be assuming that US would suffice with status quo and not status quo ante...
And status quo ante is still not the goal... that was not why US attacked... if it only wants to return to how things were...
The goal still remains, collapse of Iran as a state... and that is more of a zionist objective than an American one... however an average joe doesn't care if Iran remains a viable state...
For him, his pocket rules supreme ... more pain at the pump, more for groceries, utilities and housing while no increase in pay check... that is the killer... because American system already stretches every penny from the wielder... one way or the other... one simply cannot keep pace. In that world... where wealth is being siphoned off to tech bros and bankers... people have no room to maneuver. To top it off, zion shuts down its detractors financially... by taking away their jobs... closing bank accounts... shutting down access.

In sum, US is there for a proxy goal... and Iranians don't get it... they never will!
They cannot understand the logic, the madness behind this aggression that the one perpetrated against them on behalf of the other, has no brakes... either it fulfills it or crashes and burns trying it.

US is in dire straits economically... and orange plays optics(reality TV)... he burned his hands sanctioning China and finding out that it will effectively shut down what is left of American industry... and now needs the same to reup the interceptors or long range munitions lost in this futile endeavor.

This war isn't over ... it's perpetrator lost breath and is taking a breather while the one attacked is rationalizing. Imagining solutions...

 

[Falcon29]

Any military targets they were capable of taking out they have already done so.

Source ? I don't believe they hit entire bank of security + military targets and weren't intending to in the first place. There were operational limits due to operation being largely supported by US Navy and Israeli distance from Iran.

The only thing that remains is an obliteration of civilian infrastructure and people.

I think government infrastructure+ security forces would be targeted before then

But that will yield harsh Iranian response which will destroy the petro dollar for ever and Trump’s personal wealth tied up with the Arabs.

What could Iran do differently than what it already did ? Btw attacking something doesn't mean you could secure a political victory. If Iran is refraining from going to this next level that you mention it's because of aftermath that they deem not in their interests/worth undergoing such a counter response.

Trump doesn’t care about anyone else but he does care about protecting his ill gotten gains.

His administration has some kind of interest in managing this war in this fashion. He is certainly not pausing because he's afraid of Iranian counter response. Iranian counter response during last days of war wasn't that severe in the first place.

 

[Falcon29]

Trump may be using midterms excuses but there's nothing operational nor political preventing him from striking now

Midterms success or failure won't change anything and don't explain his inaction towards Iranian front (he's not going to be more likely to attack )