Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[El Sidd]

Pakistani Pahlavists. They also attacked the mediation efforts. Their entire policy is to oppose govt's policies.

How do you assess their motivation? Is it racially fuelled or sectarian fuelled?

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

How do you assess their motivation? Is it racially fuelled or sectarian fuelled?

Politically fueled. They will attack the govt policy regardless of what the policy is.

And PMLN does the same. I remember them attacking imran Khan for "ruining our relationship with China (no evidence)" and stopping or slowing CPEC (causes weren't political and depended on the project).

Now it's PTI singing the same thing when in opposition that we have "ruined our relationship with China (again no evidence)" and joined the American "camp".

I would not pay attention to what most (not all) of our politicians say and I would definitely not pay attention to what the street rabble and YouTubers say.

 

[Owaiz]

Few weeks ago the excuses were no joint commands, no interoperability of forces, no ratification by national parliaments, pre-existing conditions etc but now magically all those problems are solved!

They sure like to fly by the seat of their pants.

In the last few days, the al Sauds have managed to secure tangible defense commitments from the France and UK, neither of which, unlike Turkiye and Pakistan, they have bailed out financially in the past. I can imagine MBS must be squeezing the purse strings really hard to get his treaty allies to contribute something more than songs and speeches. Erdogan has other options , but I am not sure how long the fauji hukkumat in Pakistan can resist the pressure.

 

[El Sidd]

Politically fueled. They will attack the govt policy regardless of what the policy is.

And PMLN does the same. I remember them attacking imran Khan for "ruining our relationship with China (no evidence)" and stopping or slowing CPEC (causes weren't political and depended on the project).

Now it's PTI singing the same thing when in opposition that we have "ruined our relationship with China (again no evidence)" and joined the American "camp".

I would not pay attention to what most (not all) of our politicians say and I would definitely not pay attention to what the street rabble and YouTubers say.

PMLN government was in charge when CPEC was finalised just like this pact finalised itself.

But PTI has a consistent approach to the matter. The nationalost party calls every war in neighbourhood as others wars, has attempted creating blocs parallel to OIC, and genuinely holds a sectarian discord with Arab states. Throw in PPP in the mix as PTIs coalition, this pact certainly would have to fight for itself in the future.

Even if taken everything on face value, the repeated calls for disintegration of Saudi Arabia in multiple threads with utter dehumanisation is a coordinated clear messaging.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

What can Pakistan do to Yemen which Saudi+USA+Israel+UK and others combined weren't able to to achieve after 10s of thousands of air strikes and killing almost half a million poor Yemeni muslims?

If we are so powerful then why aren't we able to get rid of terrorism in our own country? Isn't Pakistan continuously listed among top 3 worst terrorism affected countries for decades now?

And a question for those who think this is a holy war for Pakistan, would Pakistan have helped Saudis if Pakistan didnt owe anything to Saudis financially and Pakistan was not stuck between IMF and Saudi-USA for monetary support? And if we have principals, why are we not helping Palestinians? Why are we not helping liberate Al-Aqsa? Is Al-Aqsa not the house of Allah?

What about Shehbaz Sharif singing praises for D. Trump as soon as he sees him? And why does Erodgan keep fueling Israel with oil and chest thumping at same time?

If you want to win a war find a military which is constantly fighting in wars.....

Practice makes a man perfect....

The Pak forces have been fighting in multiple fronts - coming in all hues and colors - since 1948. And, their enemies have always been multiple times stronger on papers. And, they have faced Musibet after Musibet, which is better than a thousand Nesihat after Nesihat. And, they've been building up their capabilities with almost ZERO coffers, when compared to other peer militaries.....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Brilliant man is cooking them with abrupt perfect reply. i love this man

My dear friend, you should! He came from a working class family in Ankara. He joined the Turkish Army as an NCO. And, he was posted at the NATO intelligence HQ in Germany. Using a NATO scholarship he graduated from the Univetsity of Maryland. After leaving military, he completed his PhD at the Bilkent Univetsity (the top most university in Turkey) in the field of the role of Intelligence in the modern day International Relations....

He was the Inelligence Boss of Turkey. He overhauled it to such an extent that it could successfully fight back against FETO (Fethullah Terrorist Org), PKK, YPG, YPD etc. These were the instruments of the West, Israil, UAE etc. to kill Turkey from inside. Hakan Fidan has been playing a major role in Turkey's rise to be a global player....

 

[Master Chief]

PMLN government was in charge when CPEC was finalised just like this pact finalised itself.

But PTI has a consistent approach to the matter. The nationalost party calls every war in neighbourhood as others wars, has attempted creating blocs parallel to OIC, and genuinely holds a sectarian discord with Arab states. Throw in PPP in the mix as PTIs coalition, this pact certainly would have to fight for itself in the future.

Even if taken everything on face value, the repeated calls for disintegration of Saudi Arabia in multiple threads with utter dehumanisation is a coordinated clear messaging.

In your second paragraph you have actually highlighted their INCONSISTENCY.

They were striving for a defensive/economic block with none other than Turkiye when Khan was in power. Today, Khan's vision has been achieved (as a bonus, the party that was originally opposed to Khan's vision, KSA, is now fully on board). So why are Khan fanatics complaining?

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

PMLN government was in charge when CPEC was finalised just like this pact finalised itself.

Irrelevant to what I said. They (keyboard brigades of both) claimed that the other has ended or stopped work on CPEC related projects.. both were lying.

But PTI has a consistent approach to the matter. The nationalost party calls every war in neighbourhood as others wars, has attempted creating blocs parallel to OIC, and genuinely holds a sectarian discord with Arab states. Throw in PPP in the mix as PTIs coalition, this pact certainly would have to fight for itself in the future.

Technically it is other wars. Even the current admin hasn't called any wars in the neighborhood our war. On the contrary, it was PMLN Led govt that refused the Saudis back in 2015 and unanimously passed a resolution in the parliament to stay out of the war.

PPP has been in PMLN coalition for years now. Not in PTI's.

Also, it's been years since PTI has been "nationalist" unless you mean afghan nationalism under leadership of Achakzai.

PTI tried creating a bloc with Turkey and Malaysia in 2019/2020. Chickened out at the last moment. And now that Turkey itself is in the pact, I don't see them backtracking Pakistan's commitment once they are institutionalized.

I also don't see why you would think PPP is against it.

Bilawal Bhutto Zardari a day after it was signed "The Mecca Joint Defense Agreement is a significant milestone in the country's history; it is a historic development that will further strengthen our defense capabilities. This agreement is not only a guarantee for the stable and secure future of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey, but also a historic document for regional and global peace. The role of Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Field Marshal Asim Munir in making this agreement possible is commendable."

The challenge to the pact will come from (Tehran + proxies) and (Tel Aviv + UAE + proxies), the other two opposing blocs. I don't see either of these two blocs having any real away over any major Pakistani political party to threaten the pact constitutionally.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Brilliant man is cooking them with abrupt perfect reply. i love this man

They get Hakan Fidan, we get khwaja Sra..ahem..., asif, khwaja asif.

 

[TAC]

Few weeks ago the excuses were no joint commands, no interoperability of forces, no ratification by national parliaments, pre-existing conditions etc but now magically all those problems are solved!

They sure like to fly by the seat of their pants.

Did you see any official say interoperability is the issue? Blame them for something an anonymous internet jockey, probably butthurt Indian said and blame them again when it turns out to be a none issue. So who is flying by the seat of their pants?

 

[maxpane]

They get Hakan Fidan, we get khwaja Sra..ahem..., asif, khwaja asif.

Brother kahan raja bhoj kahan gangu teli

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Did you see any official say interoperability is the issue? Blame them for something an anonymous internet jockey, probably butthurt Indian said and blame them again when it turns out to be a none issue. So who is flying by the seat of their pants?

He creates a scenario in his head, then argues against it. Then when the scenrio is proven wrong he claims he was lied to.

Tomorrow he will cite this meeting as something else, like, all out ground invasion being authorized or something. And when it doesn't happen, he is going to rant against that. Better to ignore the trolls on this forum. I do. Otherwise you will be here all day discussing delusions.