Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[HERO]

If Pakistan can keep up with China's pace, it will possess comprehensively powerful military strength! In every dimension! Of course, we hope for world peace!

 

[Master Chief]

Incredibly intolerant India.

Largest hypocrisy in the world.

“The extraordinary balance sheet of today’s incredibly intolerant India. It exports terrorism and violence while trying to import victimhood and sympathy,

“...institutionalised Hindutva ideology in state policy and practice, and unleashed a reign of terror against minorities.

“...Muslims are demonised; Christians persecuted; Dalits dehumanised; and Sikhs disenfranchised in the largest hypocrisy in the world,”

Saima Saleem. Esteemed member of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's permanent mission to the UN.

This woman is an absolute machine. I would say protect her at all costs but I don't think she herself fears anyone.

 

[PK781]

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I'm already looking fwd to seeing downed Su-57 by PAF soon !! Bring it on!
right now modi be like: "agar su-57 hotaaa touu..."

 

[TheThirdFaculty]

The availability of the SU30MKI is kinda shocking . That’s there spine . There stuck with these fighters for another 20 years yaaras

 

[Trailer23]

American pressure on India must be huge to buy F-35. For Trump America this is one way to compensate for huge trade deficit. Doubt the next administration will think differently.

Lets be honest - there is NO pressure on India to buy the F-35 and there never was. You have to give them credit where its due. Even though they have bought quite a bit of US equipment (C-17 Globemaster III, Apaches, P-8 & Predetor Drones), but they have stayed clear of their Military Jets for the very reason known as: End-User Equipment.

But the whole 5th Gen Topic has really picked up quite a lot of momentum in India in 2026.

Since last year's conflict & the a**-whopping they got at the hands of the PAF (with Chinese equipment), the big discussion is what is India/IAF planning on doing to close the gap on the potential arrival of the J-35A.

Now even though there hasn't been anything "Official", other than the tweet by the PM earlier this year - everything has been quite hush-hush on the whole J-35A acquisition.

Indians are so paranoid that you only hear their Defence Analysts talking about PAF Pilots currently getting trained on the J-35A - in China. And their source of info - [PDF] .

On a lighter note..., when I casually spoke about the possibility of the Su-57 being inducted by the IAF (with our PAF guys) - they completely disregarded it. One called it an "over glorified Su-30" and that it does NOT bring any REAL threat.

We could expect IAF to have the Su-57 as early as Ops. Sindoor 3.0 .

 

[Oscar]

Excellent. If you believe all this, why are you here posting with such jittery trepidation?

That question these hypocritical pieces of swine fecal matter can never answer.

 

[Oscar]

Lets be honest - there is NO pressure on India to buy the F-35 and there never was. You have to give them credit where its due. Even though they have bought quite a bit of US equipment (C-17 Globemaster III, Apaches, P-8 & Predetor Drones), but they have stayed clear of their Military Jets for the very reason known as: End-User Equipment.

But the whole 5th Gen Topic has really picked up quite a lot of momentum in India in 2026.

Since last year's conflict & the a**-whopping they got at the hands of the PAF (with Chinese equipment), the big discussion is what is India/IAF planning on doing to close the gap on the potential arrival of the J-35A.

Now even though there hasn't been anything "Official", other than the tweet by the PM earlier this year - everything has been quite hush-hush on the whole J-35A acquisition.

Indians are so paranoid that you only hear their Defence Analysts talking about PAF Pilots currently getting trained on the J-35A - in China. And their source of info - [PDF] .

On a lighter note..., when I casually spoke about the possibility of the Su-57 being inducted by the IAF (with our PAF guys) - they completely disregarded it. One called it an "over glorified Su-30" and that it does NOT bring any REAL threat.

We could expect IAF to have the Su-57 as early as Ops. Sindoor 3.0 .

They have no option other than the F-35 - because their own competent crew realize how the Su-57 offers them only an incremental jump since THEY EVALUATED IT INSIDE OUT.

They found the "stealth" not sufficient - weapons bays not to what they expected - the AL-41F had similar FOD issues as the MKI's powerplant.
They decided they would get partners and speed up AMCA but that too is nowhere to be seen.
Its typical Indian Bollywoodesque trailers and so on - and then reality bites.
They have all the competent people - all the good ideas - but when it comes to execution the Baniya in them ruins it all.

 

[Kaveri Engine]

If Pakistan can keep up with China's pace, it will possess comprehensively powerful military strength! In every dimension! Of course, we hope for world peace!

Forget about Pakistan keeping pace with China.

China itself can’t keep pace with India — India’s nominal GDP is growing at ~9–10% now and ~10% by 2030, while China’s is stuck at ~5–6% now and heading lower toward ~5%.
Here is a data showing projected GDP of countries as percentage of world share by 2030

 

[Ali_Baba]

They have no option other than the F-35 - because their own competent crew realize how the Su-57 offers them only an incremental jump since THEY EVALUATED IT INSIDE OUT.

They found the "stealth" not sufficient - weapons bays not to what they expected - the AL-41F had similar FOD issues as the MKI's powerplant.
They decided they would get partners and speed up AMCA but that too is nowhere to be seen.
Its typical Indian Bollywoodesque trailers and so on - and then reality bites.
They have all the competent people - all the good ideas - but when it comes to execution the Baniya in them ruins it all.

Could the KAI KF-21 Boramae be another option for them?

It will have engine commonality of sorts with the Tejas programme and have some weapons commonality with the Rafales (meteor) ?

It works and is the first variant is entering operational service soon, and has a roadmap that Korea can actually deliver on including a local engine development programme that "maybe" India can try and get their "TOT" deal that they are soo keen ( though no guarantee S. Korea could agree to this.. ).

Could or would the USA veto the KF-21 to India? That is a question of course.

 

[Kaveri Engine]

Could the KAI KF-21 Boramae be another option for them?

It will have engine commonality of sorts with the Tejas programme and have some weapons commonality with the Rafales (meteor) ?

It works and is the first variant is entering operational service soon, and has a roadmap that Korea can actually deliver on including a local engine development programme that "maybe" India can try and get their "TOT" deal that they are soo keen ( though no guarantee S. Korea could agree to this.. ).

Could or would the USA veto the KF-21 to India? That is a question of course.

India already has decades of indigenous aero-engine R&D through Kaveri and its derivatives; the challenge is finishing and scaling a reliable high-thrust afterburning engine, Korea hasnt even started yet

 

[jr_pdf]

India already has decades of indigenous aero-engine R&D through Kaveri and its derivatives; the challenge is finishing and scaling a reliable high-thrust afterburning engine, Korea hasnt even started yet

Industrial garbage from 50 years of failed research and development—what audacity makes you brag so shamelessly? On the basis of your per capita GDP that is inferior to Africa’s, or Modi who did not even graduate from elementary school?

 

[jr_pdf]

Forget about Pakistan keeping pace with China.

China itself can’t keep pace with India — India’s nominal GDP is growing at ~9–10% now and ~10% by 2030, while China’s is stuck at ~5–6% now and heading lower toward ~5%.
Here is a data showing projected GDP of countries as percentage of world share by 2030
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Look at this fake chart made in Indian. This is exactly why Modi can act so stupid and still get votes. This chart is the best evidence that Hindus have given up their humanity and degenerated into monkeys. The whole world is laughing at you, Indians—you prove over and over again why you deserve to be laughed at.

 

[Kaveri Engine]

Industrial garbage from 50 years of failed research and development—what audacity makes you brag so shamelessly? On the basis of your per capita GDP that is inferior to Africa’s, or Modi who did not even graduate from elementary school?

50 years of research and development on the Kaveri engine is the reason India is now in a position to develop fighter-jet turbofan engines on its own in next 10 years. That 50-year learning curve cannot simply be skipped.

The engines India has developed domestically for drones, missiles, trainers, and helicopters all build upon decades of accumulated research and experience. Money alone is not enough for an engine program—it is the expertise, know-how, testing infrastructure, engineering talent, and enormous amount of data accumulated over decades that matter most.

 

[jr_pdf]

50 years of research and development on the Kaveri engine is the reason India is now in a position to develop fighter-jet turbofan engines on its own in next 10 years. That 50-year learning curve cannot simply be skipped.

The engines India has developed domestically for drones, missiles, trainers, and helicopters all build upon decades of accumulated research and experience. Money alone is not enough for an engine program—it is the expertise, know-how, testing infrastructure, engineering talent, and enormous amount of data accumulated over decades that matter most.

Failing again and again for 50 years—are you trying to prove to me that Indians' IQ is too low?

Look at your industrial garbage, and BrahMos, assembled from Soviet parts from decades ago. Facts keep proving that those world IQ surveys are right: you really are inferior to Iran. Iran can actually build aircraft engines and missiles that can penetrate US and Israeli air defenses; even Russia has to buy licenses and production lines for its drones. You're far inferior to North Korea—a closed country with only one percent of your population can build road-mobile ICBMs capable of reaching the US, which India doesn't even have now. They can build phased-array destroyers and nuclear submarines. And you Indians don't feel ashamed? You've been independent for 80 years—what have you done besides repeatedly proving your own incompetence? You're destined to be laughed at by the whole world today.

And you—an Indian who has no idea what shame is, using a name that is a disgrace to India, shamelessly fabricating things—Indian, you are shame itself!

 

[Kaveri Engine]

Failing again and again for 50 years—are you trying to prove to me that Indians' IQ is too low?

Look at your industrial garbage, and BrahMos, assembled from Soviet parts from decades ago. Facts keep proving that those world IQ surveys are right: you really are inferior to Iran. Iran can actually build aircraft engines and missiles that can penetrate US and Israeli air defenses; even Russia has to buy licenses and production lines for its drones. You're far inferior to North Korea—a closed country with only one percent of your population can build road-mobile ICBMs capable of reaching the US, which India doesn't even have now. They can build phased-array destroyers and nuclear submarines. And you Indians don't feel ashamed? You've been independent for 80 years—what have you done besides repeatedly proving your own incompetence? You're destined to be laughed at by the whole world today.

And you—an Indian who has no idea what shame is, using a name that is a disgrace to India, shamelessly fabricating things—Indian, you are shame itself!

Failure and success can be subjective ways of looking at research and development. The fact that the Kaveri engine did not power the Tejas Mk1A does not make the program a failure. It produced the Kaveri dry engine at the cost of roughly $250 million in R&D, and we may eventually see a wet-thrust variant of Kaveri powering a fighter like Tejas. It may or may not completely replace the GE F404 on Tejas, but the data, expertise, technologies, and testing experience generated by the program will continue to benefit India’s future engine programs.

The Kaveri program has already contributed to other areas. India was able to upgrade the AL-31FP engines of the Su-30MKI to improve thrust and service life, including the replacement of critical Russian single-crystal turbine blades with indigenous blades developed using technology from the Kaveri program.

The same principle applies beyond engines. Technologies developed through the Arjun tank program are contributing to the modernization of the T-90, while the Zorawar light tank has also benefited from experience gained through Arjun. Tejas Mk2 would not have been possible without the technologies and experience accumulated through Tejas Mk1, and AMCA builds on decades of experience from the Tejas program.

DRDO also developed a 15 times smaller, one-tonne-scale demonstrator related to the Ghatak UCAV to test its flight-control laws. Then they transferred the technology to private companies using which private companies developed stealth reconnaissance and kamikaze drones.

This is the most important thing to understand about R&D: very little truly goes to waste. Even when a program does not achieve its original objective, the knowledge, data, expertise, infrastructure, manufacturing capabilities, and technologies it creates can become the foundation for the next generation of systems.

This is something the Indian government should understand as well. We are no longer in the 1980s, when India had limited institutions, limited private-sector participation, and far fewer resources for developing advanced engines. Today, India has a much stronger industrial base, a growing private sector, and companies such as Tata and Reliance that can invest in advanced engine technologies. We now have both the expertise and the financial capacity to invest far more aggressively in long-term R&D.