Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Flotilla]

Why is Iran hitting civilian ships

Hitting oil tanker after oil tanker of other counties...

Iran goal is hitting other countries so they pressurise USA to acknowledge to irans demand.

Even if Iran win or lose. No one will trust Iran but China Russia only

That is not the correct question.
Why US is weaponizing trade? Why US forbid Irán to trade with their oíl?.
Why is US trying to starve population?.
You know what is doing US and Irán is just answering.
Please don't hide the truth.

 

[ShapurII]

You need to have some rest dude. Or else you are going to have mental disease with these option x,y,z...

Maybe instead of mocking me, you can tell us what options are available to Iran at this point? Trump isn't going to lift the naval and aerial blockade on his own, you know that, right?

 

[KingQamaR]

China should simply pay “lip service” to non-proliferation treaty and western idea of “freedom of navigation”.


West makes it up as they go along and so why is China playing the white man’s game anymore?

Iran is fighting to preserve its sovereignty and the least China can do is not take the US side when it comes to Iranian nuclear programme or SoH toll.


This war is more about containing China than Iran anyway.

US attacked Venezuela and Iran specifically to cut oil from China. Why do people believe China is not helping Iran their trading partner?

 

[Professor Jiang]

US attacked Venezuela and Iran specifically to cut oil from China. Why do people believe China is not helping Iran their trading partner?

Because Saudi Arabia and UAE are bigger trade partners for China. Hence the monthly apology it makes to Iran whenever it talks about status of the three islands.

 

[KingQamaR]

There have been regular shipments to Iran from China. Beijing is providing chemicals precursors to Iran to fuel Iranian ballistic missiles.

 

[Ali_Baba]

US attacked Venezuela and Iran specifically to cut oil from China. Why do people believe China is not helping Iran their trading partner?

Is China really fully behind helping Iran? if why would it be actively undermining Iran's strategy imho ... Had China carried on buying oil on the international markets, the economic affects would have more of a bearing on the US decision making process than it has done. China provided the USA with a get out of jail card with its approach.

I think what China wants, is not for Iran to win or lose, but for the USA to get dragged into a forever war that saps dry the USA's military and economic strength, and I don't think they mind if that leads to further destruction of Iran, her economy and her military as long as it hurts the USA even more.

 

[KingQamaR]

Because Saudi Arabia and UAE are bigger trade partners for China. Hence the monthly apology it makes to Iran whenever it talks about status of the three islands.

Mate, China benefits from
Weakening its main enemy US in this war that arms Taiwan. You cannot have your energy needs everything in US hands. Saudi and UAE are only trade partners unlike Venezuela and Iran your energy suppliers.

 

[KingQamaR]

Is China really fully behind helping Iran? if why would it be actively undermining Iran's strategy imho ... Had China carried on buying oil on the international markets, the economic affects would have more of a bearing on the US decision making process than it has done. China provided the USA with a get out of jail card with its approach.

I think what China wants, is not for Iran to win or lose, but for the USA to get dragged into a forever war that saps dry the USA's military and economic strength, and I don't think they mind if that leads to further destruction of Iran, her economy and her military as long as it hurts the USA even more.

Chinese were the only adult in the room mate, by them releasing their own oil stock has saved entire 3rd world economies that would have collapsed due to high oil prices of shortages. China is smart it’s here for the long run. Beijing knows excalty what it’s doing and has long term vision.

 

[UKBengali]

US attacked Venezuela and Iran specifically to cut oil from China. Why do people believe China is not helping Iran their trading partner?

Just because they are helping in some ways does not excuse actively "not helping" on other ways.

 

[UKBengali]

Mate, China benefits from
Weakening its main enemy US in this war that arms Taiwan. You cannot have your energy needs everything in US hands. Saudi and UAE are only trade partners unlike Venezuela and Iran your energy suppliers.

Yes as the supplies from the Gulf Puppets only can be used by Zio-US to control China.

Iran is a guarantee they have of an actual sovereign supplier.

 

[KingQamaR]

Just because they are helping in some ways does not excuse actively "not helping" on other ways.

China can do would be best served to have the conflict finished as quickly as possible. By arming Iran , they can inflict damage on their enemy, the US, but that will drag the conflict out! Might spiral into an open war Beijing and Washington!

 

[BananaRepublic]

China can do would be best served to have the conflict finished as quickly as possible. By arming Iran , they can inflict damage on their enemy, the US, but that will drag the conflict out! Might spiral into an open war Beijing and Washington!

China is not best served by a fast war.

Although a fast war would inflict a geopolitical humiliation it would save the USA from Trump’s financial calamity.

China wants USA bogged down in Iran so instead of plotting against China - USA needs China’s help to contain Iran.

China will provide just enough help to Iran to continue. But the idiot Mullahs better let the IRGC develop the bomb. Otherwise Iran will be in another decades long war.

 

[r3alist]

Why is China acting like a hypocrite when it is a nuclear state itself?

Also, Iran has every right to charge tolls if it can physically control the water way.

Sometimes you Chinese should actually think about your position for a few seconds because what is the relevance of a 2% toll on an oil tanker?

It makes no difference to China but will help Iran stay strong and united. This is a key Chinese strategic interest and we should stop thinking about everything in terms of a little money here now.

A lot of Chinese just get programmed by the CCP and don’t think by themselves.

Disagree a bit here

Once you are in the nuclear club you want to close the door

That makes basic sense

It disrupts power balance especially with a nation like Iran, it's not something you want or need

Secondly the principle of a toll for what was open passage.....who actually wants that, every other nation will only reluctantly accept it

You effectively acknowledge Iran has the right to block your shipping trade

This is Irans revolution for its national project, why would china pave the way

Today they block sea passage, tomorrow who knows what

 

[Professor Jiang]

Mate, China benefits from
Weakening its main enemy US in this war that arms Taiwan. You cannot have your energy needs everything in US hands. Saudi and UAE are only trade partners unlike Venezuela and Iran your energy suppliers.

I agree completely! But my gut tells me China doesn't see it this way. Matters haven't been helped by decades of reformists looking West and shunning Chinese overtures.

 

[r3alist]

China is not best served by a fast war.

Although a fast war would inflict a geopolitical humiliation it would save the USA from Trump’s financial calamity.

China wants USA bogged down in Iran so instead of plotting against China - USA needs China’s help to contain Iran.

China will provide just enough help to Iran to continue. But the idiot Mullahs better let the IRGC develop the bomb. Otherwise Iran will be in another decades long war.

I don't believe the USA are bogged down, in terms of troops


Who is relatively suffering more, Iran or USA?

Sure everyone is taking a hit, but the USA is seeing Saudi Iran weaker, internally and externally.

There has been no fuel crisis

It's a bit difficult

So if Iran have done their maximum what card's are left


They won't test a bomb, alternatives are being looked at it for oil.