Afghans yet to receive ‘genuine justice’ for Western coalition abuses: HRW

That's your opinion. The UN monitoring reports says otherwise

"Al-Qaida continued to enjoy the patronage of the de facto authorities. It acted as a service provider and multiplier for other terrorist groups in Afghanistan in terms of training and advice, principally to TTP."

I take their findings over a Canadian who can't even speak the language.

For now. It's not the ned of history.

Pakistan is doing exactly that and hence your unease.
Okay then why is Afghan Taliban ruling Afghanistan and USA and NATO have fled Afghanistan now?

Otherwise USA could have nuked the Afghan Taliban?

Come on, be honest now. Afghan Taliban won the war fair and square.

Stop talking nonsense here.

I am against Al Qaeda and all forms of terrorism.

Whether Afghan Taliban have connections to Al Qaeda, I do not believe so.

Even the American government under Joe Biden told Afghan Taliban to cut ties with Al Qaeda, and the Afghan Taliban denies having any connections to Al Qaeda.

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My unease? No, your unease!

You cannot swallow that NATO had to leave Afghanistan and now Afghan Taliban have won the war and have returned to Afghanistan government since 2021!

Swallow that! ;) :ROFLMAO:

Stop your foolishness and stop wasting my time.
 
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I remain convinced to this day the US would not have invaded A'stan had bin Laden been handed over.
US deliberately made a demand that Afghanistan could NOT fulfil. So an invasion was a foregone conclusion.

Afghanistan was, and still is to this day, an extremely poor country, a failed state basically. Asking Afghans to locate, capture and handover a single man with practically no resources - there was only ever one outcome. Talk about setting someone up to fail.
 
I don't have a problem with the Afghan Taliban, you twit.

Afghan Taliban has every right to rule their country.

Who the hell is USA? Is USA my king? No its not. I do not care what USA says.

Already Afghan Taliban has diplomatic relations with Russia.
I'm sure the Americans are upset that someone on PDF doesn't like them. :giggle:
Stupid question

How culpable are Afghans better question, they have agency here let's not pretend they don't

Pakistan is a separate entity that worked with ground realities, as best it could towards defeating the Soviet empire, lets keep a reality check on what was going on then , the afghans totally embraced the war

The aghan thinking approach is entirely their own, if Pakistan could control how come this mess exists?

That ends the question on Pakistan culpability


Afghanistan cannot blame anyone else for their own predicament at this point, they are choosing banditry and backwards thinking, remember the Americans did try to institutionalise them, they revert to type.
Pakistan has no agency when it comes to Afghanistan? Sounds like someone is avoiding accountability. The Taliban were agents (proxies) of Pakistan. Why deny this? It supported them from the 1990s until it turned on them. Yes, Pakistan is fighting them now, but it helped create the backlash.
You Indians are hand and glove with the Taliban. Surely you Indians can and must convince your partner Taliban to deliver justice for ordinary Afghans?
If India is hand in glove with the Taliban, it wasn't by design, but as a result of Pakistan's massive miscalculation, which India took advantage of. Besides, it's not India's job to deliver justice to the Afghans any more than Pakistan's.
 
I'm sure the Americans are upset that someone on PDF doesn't like them. :giggle:

Pakistan has no agency when it comes to Afghanistan? Sounds like someone is avoiding accountability. The Taliban were agents (proxies) of Pakistan. Why deny this? It supported them from the 1990s until it turned on them. Yes, Pakistan is fighting them now, but it helped create the backlash.

If India is hand in glove with the Taliban, it wasn't by design, but as a result of Pakistan's massive miscalculation, which India took advantage of. Besides, it's not India's job to deliver justice to the Afghans any more than Pakistan's.
Yes unfortunately the relationship Pakistan has with the Afghan Taliban is not good in recent times.

But we will fix that. Afghan Taliban are back in power in Afghanistan.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee or chai.
 
I'm sure the Americans are upset that someone on PDF doesn't like them. :giggle:

Pakistan has no agency when it comes to Afghanistan? Sounds like someone is avoiding accountability. The Taliban were agents (proxies) of Pakistan. Why deny this? It supported them from the 1990s until it turned on them. Yes, Pakistan is fighting them now, but it helped create the backlash.

If India is hand in glove with the Taliban, it wasn't by design, but as a result of Pakistan's massive miscalculation, which India took advantage of. Besides, it's not India's job to deliver justice to the Afghans any more than Pakistan's.
I talked to quite a few Americans, many told me in Saudi Arabia that there are many in USA and in the West who were against the Afghanistan war actually.
 
I'm sure the Americans are upset that someone on PDF doesn't like them. :giggle:

Pakistan has no agency when it comes to Afghanistan? Sounds like someone is avoiding accountability. The Taliban were agents (proxies) of Pakistan. Why deny this? It supported them from the 1990s until it turned on them. Yes, Pakistan is fighting them now, but it helped create the backlash.

If India is hand in glove with the Taliban, it wasn't by design, but as a result of Pakistan's massive miscalculation, which India took advantage of. Besides, it's not India's job to deliver justice to the Afghans any more than Pakistan's.
Haha! Jealous Indian. Afghanistan is Pakistan's backyard, and we have every right to that real estate.
 
Okay then why is Afghan Taliban ruling Afghanistan and USA and NATO have fled Afghanistan now?
Who said Japan was ruling Afghanistan. And US didn't flee. It handed over Afghanistan to Taliban and pays it bi weekly 40 million dollars in cash to attack the neighborhood
Otherwise USA could have nuked the Afghan Taliban?
Why would the nuke someone they pay the salaries of?
Come on, be honest now. Afghan Taliban won the war fair and square.
Lost every battle. US was leaving and needed a terrorist safe haven in Russian, Chinese, Pakistani and Iranian backyard. Hence the Doha agreement.
Stop talking nonsense here.

I am against Al Qaeda and all forms of terrorism.
You are the one talking nonsense Canadian tourist. You reject evidence of your eyes and that of UN because your drug addled mind can not comprehend that your speaking of things on other side of planet you know nothing of. Return to cleaning toilets in Canada good sir.
Whether Afghan Taliban have connections to Al Qaeda, I do not believe so.
Again, your opinions are north worth anything.
Even the American government under Joe Biden told Afghan Taliban to cut ties with Al Qaeda, and the Afghan Taliban denies having any connections to Al Qaeda.
Of course they are going to deny that.
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My unease? No, your unease!

You cannot swallow that NATO had to leave Afghanistan and now Afghan Taliban have won the war and have returned to Afghanistan government since 2021!

Swallow that!

Stop your foolishness and stop wasting my time.
I was among those fools who thought Taliban return would bring peace, unfortunately I was wrong. They have done the opposite and attacks by their Branch has increased 700%>

And You posting Google search answers again and again tell me all anyone in this thread needs to know about your tourist status to this conflict. You have no idea and just copy pasting google AI answers with surface level questions.

You have wasted my time, and your's isn't worth anything anyway. Get lost Canaydian.
 
Who said Japan was ruling Afghanistan. And US didn't flee. It handed over Afghanistan to Taliban and pays it bi weekly 40 million dollars in cash to attack the neighborhood

Why would the nuke someone they pay the salaries of?

Lost every battle. US was leaving and needed a terrorist safe haven in Russian, Chinese, Pakistani and Iranian backyard. Hence the Doha agreement.

You are the one talking nonsense Canadian tourist. You reject evidence of your eyes and that of UN because your drug addled mind can not comprehend that your speaking of things on other side of planet you know nothing of. Return to cleaning toilets in Canada good sir.

Again, your opinions are north worth anything.

Of course they are going to deny that.

I was among those fools who thought Taliban return would bring peace, unfortunately I was wrong. They have done the opposite and attacks by their Branch has increased 700%>

And You posting Google search answers again and again tell me all anyone in this thread needs to know about your tourist status to this conflict. You have no idea and just copy pasting google AI answers with surface level questions.

You have wasted my time, and your's isn't worth anything anyway. Get lost Canaydian.
I am also a Pakistani as well. You can leave this forum and I certainly won't.

You are entitled to your opinions and I am entitled to my opinions.

Afghan Taliban won the 20 year war. End of discussion. Afghan Taliban have returned to power.

Thick-Skulled you are...did I mention Japan or NATO? I mentioned NATO.

Now Shoo! And stop wasting my time.

What nonsense are you talking about?

Afghan Taliban have won the war. Have you even read the news articles?

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The US, the Taliban and the stunning defeat in Afghanistan​

The Taliban victory is a major humiliation for the US, but perhaps that’s the silver lining of the Afghan tragedy.


By Marwan Bishara
Senior political analyst at Al Jazeera.
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Taliban fighters take control of Afghan presidential palace after Afghan President Ashraf Ghani fled the country, in Kabul, Afghanistan on August 15, 2021 [AP/Zabi Karimi]
Last week’s turn of events in Afghanistan has been utterly shocking but hardly surprising.

The Taliban’s blistering takeover of the country’s main cities was breathtaking in its speed and ease, culminating in their march on the capital almost unopposed as President Ashraf Ghani fled the country.

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It was expected, yes, but no so rapidly, so victoriously, so humiliatingly.

Since the war began almost 20 years ago, successive US administrations have ignored the writing on the wall, prolonging the inevitable, while failing to prepare for it.

It took the US and its allies only two months to “liberate” Kabul from the grip of the Taliban in 2001, and less than two years for the smug Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, to declare at a news conference in Kabul on May 1, 2003, that “major combat activity” was over.

But it was not over. Not by any measure.

As the US occupation stumbled, the deposed Taliban regrouped and launched a merciless asymmetrical war on the US and Afghan government forces for much of the following two decades.

But successive US administrations deliberately deceived the American public into thinking everything was dandy on the war front in Afghanistan, when in fact, it was anything but – just as they did previously during the Vietnam war.

The scene of US personnel fleeing Kabul last week, just as they did Saigon in 1975, was downright eerie.

The US has suffered a few thousand casualties, but tens of thousands of Afghan security forces have died, and an untold number of civilians have become the real victims of the war, which has destroyed the lives and livelihoods of countless families and communities.

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During the past decade, the Taliban has demolished Washington’s “clear, build and hold” strategy, terrorising entire communities that cooperated with the US forces.

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The total collapse of the Afghan government forces following the withdrawal of the remainder of US combat troops has left many in Washington and other western capitals scratching their heads for answers.

Some of these answers have been readily available by the “we-told-you-so” war sceptics, who long warned that Afghanistan was a proven “graveyard of empires”, whether it is the 19th-century British empire or the 20th-century Soviet empire.

In the words of the ancient Greek Macedonian emperor, Alexander the Great, Afghanistan is “easy to march into but hard to march out of”.

But an overconfident post-Cold War America was in no mood for such historical references after the 9/11 attacks hit at the heart of its economic and military symbols in New York and Washington and killed almost 3,000 Americans.

Those of us who warned against waging vengeful wars and occupying faraway lands as a way to combat “global terrorism” and establish a “pax America” in the greater Middle East, were ignored.

The Bush administration’s decision to launch a second disastrous and costly war against Iraq left Afghanistan in dire straits, and for all practical purposes, Washington was unable to recover the initiative afterwards.

The failure of the Obama administration’s Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy of troop surge signalled the beginning of the end of the war. From then on, only its pride prevented it from recognising the obvious and acting on it.

The Trump administration’s decision to engage the Taliban diplomatically appeared to be the beginning of the US surrendering the country to the hardline group in part or as a whole.

The Biden administration’s decision to speed up US withdrawal regardless of the diplomatic, military or strategic outcome, left the Afghan government to fend for itself, while knowing all too well it could not last long.

But was it really inevitable?

It is hard to say what would have been the outcome if the US remained focused on Afghanistan, rooting out al-Qaeda and paving the way towards a more stable regime with the help of neighbouring countries. Even Iran offered to help during those early years.

But the Bush administration’s decision to launch the “global war on terror”, including the disastrous war on Iraq, eventually downgraded and bungled its Afghan mission.

It also alienated major regional and international allies by its exclusionary “US or against US” approach to the Middle East and international affairs.

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Afghanistan was left on the backburner and came to be known as the “forgotten war” as US attention focused on Iraq. Then came the 2008 financial crisis further forcing Washington to turn inward, weakening its foreign commitments.

But even if the US had remained totally focused on Afghanistan, there was no guarantee that it could have accomplished the more modest mission of stabilising the country.

In fact, since World War II, the US has failed to decisively win any major war, whether in Korea, Vietnam or Iraq.

Moreover, geography has long trumped strategy in such asymmetrical conflicts as that of Afghanistan, where local forces and regional dynamics outperform and outmanoeuvre the more sophisticated imperial forces deployed from across the seas.

Such is the lesson most 20th-century colonial powers learned the hard way, as any military historian would tell you.

Afghans knew that the US may have controlled the timings of its deployments but the Taliban had the time. And it had the will.

The US may have won certain hearts and minds, especially in Kabul, where it spent untold sums of money, but Afghans knew deep in their hearts that America will depart sooner or later, and they would have to deal with the Taliban.

It did not help that their successive governments were rather inept and corrupt, garnering little or no confidence. Their complete dependency on US military and financial aid ensured they would never be able to try to stand on their own.

The same applied to the armed forces. Despite outnumbering the Taliban four to one, corruption, nepotism and neglect reigned high, especially among the top brass.

In sum, this may have been inevitable considering the US blunders and its partners’ failings, but it did not have to be so utterly humiliating.

But then again, the humiliation may be the one silver lining after the two decades of tragedy, teaching Washington to avoid war at all cost in the future, especially those horrific wars of choice in the greater Middle East.

  • Marwan Bishara
    Marwan Bishara
    Senior political analyst at Al Jazeera.
    Marwan Bishara is an author who writes extensively on global politics and is widely regarded as a leading authority on US foreign policy, the Middle East and international strategic affairs. He was previously a professor of International Relations at the American University of Paris.


Now don't tell me you don't trust Marwan Bishara journalist. He is a well known journalist.

Now if you deny USA did not lose in Afghanistan, then you are retarded or a liar.

Or have you been having your head under a rock lately.

Time to smell the chai and see the realities.

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I am also a Pakistani as well. You can leave this forum and I certainly won't.
No such thing as British Pakistani or Canadian Pakistani. You or parents or grandparents, abandoned Pakistan for a salary. You can't understand pashto nor read Urdu subtitles. You support indian and afghan false narratives of TTP not being mere Taliban branch as confessed by TTP leader. You rubbish the finding of the UN report but give value to afghan denials.

You are as Pakistani as Pahlavists are Iranians. You side with enemy that kills thousands of Pakistanis every year.
You are entitled to your opinions and I am entitled to my opinions.
Your opinions are lies and oversimplified AI answers and I posted actual video evidence and UN report.

They are not the same, Canadian.
Afghan Taliban won the 20 year war. End of discussion. Afghan Taliban have returned to power.
Nobody said Japan was in charge of Kabul. You may have reading problems.
Thick-Skulled you are...did I mention Japan or NATO? I mentioned NATO.
Did I say Taliban were not ruling Kabul? Drug addled candian
Now Shoo! And stop wasting my time.
Chal nikal
What nonsense are you talking about?

Afghan Taliban have won the war. Have you even read the news articles?

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I was reporting on this photo and confirming where exactly the photo was taken while it was happening back then, while you were googling AI where Afghanistan was on the map, candian.


Again, I never claimed Taliban were not in charge in Kabul. That's just you arguing with your own ghosts in your empty brain. Drug addled Canadian

Putting you on ignore, Canadian. I don't have the time to waste on casual tourists. Go clean white mans toilets. 🤣
 
No such thing as British Pakistani or Canadian Pakistani. You or parents or grandparents, abandoned Pakistan for a salary. You can't understand pashto nor read Urdu subtitles. You support indian and afghan false narratives of TTP not being mere Taliban branch as confessed by TTP leader. You rubbish the finding of the UN report but give value to afghan denials.

You are as Pakistani as Pahlavists are Iranians. You side with enemy that kills thousands of Pakistanis every year.

Your opinions are lies and oversimplified AI answers and I posted actual video evidence and UN report.

They are not the same, Canadian.

Nobody said Japan was in charge of Kabul. You may have reading problems.

Did I say Taliban were not ruling Kabul? Drug addled candian

Chal nikal

I was reporting on this photo and confirming where exactly the photo was taken while it was happening back then, while you were googling AI where Afghanistan was on the map, candian.


Again, I never claimed Taliban were not in charge in Kabul. That's just you arguing with your own ghosts in your empty brain. Drug addled Canadian

For a moron like you are you high on Charas/drugs?

I do not do drugs as drugs are Haraam in Islam.

I still am loyal to Pakistan. I do not need your certification as who is a Pakistani or not.

You think I care whether you put me on your ignore list. You are certainly on my ignore list as well.

Point is the Afghan Taliban have returned, and USA has lost the war.

Even Sergei Lavrov of Russia is saying the Afghan Taliban is fighting the ISIS and other terrorist groups.

Ha! comparing me to the Pahlavists of Iran. What a joke! You think I would support the oppressive Shah of Iran regime?
 
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Sorry but suicide is a major sin in Islam.

Secondly I do know what propaganda has been done against the Afghan Taliban.

All I know is that they have returned to Afghanistan, and Russia has given diplomatic relations to them.
Good grief...so afghan Taliban blowing us poor Pakistanis(pushtoons) is propaganda ??

What are you? Israel !? either you are delulu or we dont count as humans because only Israeli have this kind of delulu
 
Good grief...so afghan Taliban blowing us poor Pakistanis(pushtoons) is propaganda ??

What are you? Israel !? either you are delulu or we dont count as humans because only Israeli have this kind of delulu
Why are you comparing me to that genocidal state of Israel? Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians and everybody knows about it.

I do not know what the Afghan Taliban are doing. All I know they are back in power in Afghanistan and USA and NATO have fled Afghanistan.
 
Okay then why is Afghan Taliban ruling Afghanistan and USA and NATO have fled Afghanistan now?

Otherwise USA could have nuked the Afghan Taliban?

Come on, be honest now. Afghan Taliban won the war fair and square.

Stop talking nonsense here.

I am against Al Qaeda and all forms of terrorism.

Whether Afghan Taliban have connections to Al Qaeda, I do not believe so.

Even the American government under Joe Biden told Afghan Taliban to cut ties with Al Qaeda, and the Afghan Taliban denies having any connections to Al Qaeda.

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My unease? No, your unease!

You cannot swallow that NATO had to leave Afghanistan and now Afghan Taliban have won the war and have returned to Afghanistan government since 2021!

Swallow that! ;) :ROFLMAO:

Stop your foolishness and stop wasting my time.
Because USA hasnt have time or resouryto fight a drug cartel child abusing high on charas cartel

Just like it has no time fight in Africa
 
Why are you comparing me to that genocidal state of Israel? Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians and everybody knows about it.

I do not know what the Afghan Taliban are doing. All I know they are back in power in Afghanistan and USA and NATO have fled Afghanistan.
Israeli Zionist kills People and say it never happened
Afghan Taliban kill Afghans and Pakistanis and you say it didnt happen

You dont see the resemblance 😳
 

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