Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Professor Jiang]

PG you are so wrong man!

We in Pakistan used to think da same like you thinking, but these jahil talibunny plunged the dagger deep in our back!

Extremely ehsaan faramosh/ deceptive/ conniving/ dehshatgard qaum these Afghani.

You have no idea man. Ask us what these Afghani are like.

As if Iran doesn't have thousands of years of experience being a neighbour to Afghanistan?

 

[Lulldapull]

As if Iran doesn't have thousands of years of experience being a neighbour to Afghanistan?

Afghani harami respects Iran and disrespects us!

And I've noticed this behavior, despite Pakistan saving them from the Soviets.

And we've hosted millions of them for half a century now and counting.

And all we get is hate!

 

[Pakistan First]

And I've noticed this behavior, despite Pakistan saving them from the Soviets.

We were saving ourselves. Not them. We knew, next would be our turn.

 

[vizier]

Usa left Afghanistan possibly with some guarantees to use them against Iran later on. They also left many weapons intact to be taken by Taliban later on. There were also border clashes in 2021 and 2023 between Iran-Afghanistan initiated by the Afghan side. Afghanistan is not trustable that is true but it doesnt mean the trade route cannot be used tactically by Iran with the condition that there would be alternate routes and plans if Afghanistan backstabs Iran later on.
So putting all eggs in one basket and not thinking the backstabbing by the other side would be naive. Not making a deal is also a mistake since Pakistan route is about to be closed if not closed yet. Same with Russia trade routes can be opened there too but we all know by now how putin does business. So keeping eyes open for other side backstabbing and getting tactial gains are Irans responsiblity in these agreements.

Unfortunately many governments including the ones pretending to be against Usa are acting in a very coordinated manner in many cases inline with Usa(israel) policies even to the expense of their countries own interests. Picking one side and believing them would result in failure but tactical agreements can work as long as Iran is careful about the other side moves and motives.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Lots of strange geopolitical dynamics emerging

Trump’s fetish for deal making trumps a coherent strategy.

Trump is a tactician and he loathes strategy.

Strategy requires patience and intellect. Trump doesn’t possess either.

 

[mangekyo]

 

[PakAl]

Im not sure about pakistan but turkey will not directly attack Iran. They have learned their historical lesson and havent looked at Iran the wrong way in over 200 years.

During that time Iran was significantly weaker, and turkey was on paper much stronger. They had many chances, as recently as 1980s where they could have potentially made a move

Iran and turkey have wisely decided its not in either countries interest to be hostile

I think the lesson of nader shah has permenantly scarred turkey. Safavids were dead, afghans had taken ovef half of Iran, and turkey was slicing Iran up with Russia.

Then Nader Shah beat the shit out of them So badly and repeatedly that it scared the russians into handing back iranian territory without a fight.

Turkey has never had an aggresive attitude towards Iran since

Pakistan will never directly attack Iran, or else we would not be helping Iran pass resolutions in the UN, Pakistan gave diplomatic and moral support to Iran, Pakistan sent the highest level delegation for Khamenia funeral. But Pakistan government collapses over one phone fall from the Saudis, so this shows how much Saudia controls Pakistan and Pakistan will defend Saudia if attacked but this doesnt mean they will attack others for Saudia (i hope not). By the way it was Iran which attacked Pakistan a few years ago and Iranians claimed they are superpower and will bomb any nation which hosts elements which threaten Iran, Pakistan replied in kindness and that was the end of it. But people need to understand the war is between Usa Israel and their GCC allies, Pakistan and Turkey are being manipulated to get involved but so far they refuse to do so. Pakistan has been actively lobbying Turkey and others not to get involved and attack Iran (Iran made threats against them).

 

[PakAl]

Spreading Wahhabism was part of the Petro Dollar agreement between the Gulf states and the US. They thought by spreading Wahhabism they could undermine socialist and leftist ideologies in the Muslim world and also become anti - Shia because Iranians had overthrown the shah and these monarchs feared they might be next. MBS actually confirmed this

Wahabism was spread by us on the directions of West: Saudi Prince Mohammad bin Salman

By Muslim Mirror Web Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman on Monday admitted that Wahabism began as a result of Western countries asking Riyadh to help counter the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

muslimmirror.com

More reasons for it to. At its roots this racist arab nationalist tribal ideology is pro Usa and Israel, they threaten the old orders and establish a new modern pro west policies. A truely modern khawarij dajjali ideology. So the more it spreads the more Usa Israel GCC find allies and enemies are removed by this ideology ie governments and people, the Ottomans sunnis were the main target, labelled as kafir by this ideology, even till today but they decieve by using manipulative tactics.

 

[vizier]

Now considering this Eu role in this drama coordinated by Usa is to act as if they are independant from Usa and offer hand to Iran as a next move. While putin will possibly make smaller moves to distance from Iran following the script. Maybe Xi too will make some moves depending on if he gained total control Ccp. But not banking too much on Eu side protecting enough connection with Russia-China would negate both possible Putin and Xi moves. Resisting immediate reactions to these staged events before jumping into immediate conclusions and thinking beforehand is key for Iran.

A usa-israel engineered new nuclear deal with Eu perhaps while Eu playing the good cop can be detrimental for Iran if it creates security gaps and most probably it will. But if you know that most if not almost all actors in the show are controlled by the same source you can gain tactical advantages without losing yours keeping your eyes open and eventually understand their motives before it hurts you.

Same with India trying to form bonds with Iran. Iran can gain tactical advantages from India but with a controlled distance not alienating Pakistan completely eventhough there are disagreements these days. Knowing that India plays the role to portray Iran with israel-Greece-India nexus and serving the higher purpose of israel to create a coalition against Iran without isreaeli direct involvment in the next conflict.

 

[PakAl]

Iran has nothing to worry about. Oil is flowing, Iran making steady maany from the tolls.

US has been expelled from the region. Houthi's doing great on de other side. Iraq fully secured and Hezb intact.........

There's not much left ta discuss no?

Meanwhile Usa Israel planning another attack. We will only see how Iran is doing with its retaliation strikes.

 

[Imran S]

At least they don’t nominate paedophile terrorists who slaughter Iranian kids for the Nobel peace prize.

i dont want to argue as it is irrelevent topic, but we are not the ones who embrace with Gujrat massacre killer Modi or handed over port to india to undermine pakistan. For us, india is more loathsome than US. As i said earlier, every country see its interests first, like you. Lastly, I repeat Afghanis are traitor, traitor and traitor and vultures killing our innocent people and children. You are feeling pride again and again now a days, being friend with Afghanis, then go ahead with your Opium drenched natural strategic partner/ Indian Proxy terrorist.

 

[PakAl]

i dont want to argue as it is irrelevent topic, but we are not the ones who embrace with Gujrat massacre killer Modi or handed over our port to india who is more loathsome than US. As i said earlier, every country see its interests first, like you. Lastly, I repeat Afghanis are traitor, traitor and traitor and vultures killing our innocent people and children. You are feeling pride again and again now a days, being friend with Afghanis, then go ahead and lived there also

Pakistan is also the only nation whos leadership went to the Usa and told Trump theyre not happy with the war against Iran ie FM Asim Munir. Our parliament condemned it, gave full moral and political support to Iran, lobbeyed Turkey and others to oppose this war, supported Iran at UN. Nobel Prize for Trump is just to get in the ear of Trump but Pakistan leadership needs to understand theyre at the bottom of the list, Netanyahu is the number one in that list.

Anyways the majority of the Muslim powerful nations wipe the shoes of Trump so people cannot blame Pakistan alone.

 

[Flotilla]

Thanks Zelenski.
If Russia cannot delivered promissed diesel to US... Guess who can send Russia vía Mazandaran sea?.

 

[Flotilla]

Usa left Afghanistan possibly with some guarantees to use them against Iran later on. They also left many weapons intact to be taken by Taliban later on. There were also border clashes in 2021 and 2023 between Iran-Afghanistan initiated by the Afghan side. Afghanistan is not trustable that is true but it doesnt mean the trade route cannot be used tactically by Iran with the condition that there would be alternate routes and plans if Afghanistan backstabs Iran later on.
So putting all eggs in one basket and not thinking the backstabbing by the other side would be naive. Not making a deal is also a mistake since Pakistan route is about to be closed if not closed yet. Same with Russia trade routes can be opened there too but we all know by now how putin does business. So keeping eyes open for other side backstabbing and getting tactial gains are Irans responsiblity in these agreements.

Unfortunately many governments including the ones pretending to be against Usa are acting in a very coordinated manner in many cases inline with Usa(israel) policies even to the expense of their countries own interests. Picking one side and believing them would result in failure but tactical agreements can work as long as Iran is careful about the other side moves and motives.

I agree Pakistán is far more deseable Ally than Afghanistan for Irán. It is obvious. And Pakistán did as much as they can to finish the war.

But aside the problem of Sistan Baluchistán (something that would require even joint military actions between Pakistán and Irán to destroy the cells) the obstructions of the frontier trade just let that door open (Afghanistan).

The more Pakistán follow the Bessent instructions, the more Irán will search for alternative land routes to trade.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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Russia is such a nice friend to Iran.

I don't see how Russia benefits from this. Was the financial gain worth undermining Iran for ? It does undermine Iran for sure. ( Other than allow for USA to pressure Ukraine to not target those oil/diesel facilities ??? ).