‘Pakistan’s poverty rate higher than India, B’desh’

Breaks my heart, man.
Elites & people running the country just need to give a shit. IK We are MUCH better than this
Beyond embarrassing and depressing.
I am saying this because both india and Bangladesh have much bigger problems than us: overpopulation(we didnt have this problem for the most part till now- now I think this is our problem too), religious flashpoints, lower resources, especially in the case of B'desh
If you actually sit back and look, even in the 60s and 50s our situation besides Kashmir was much more stable in many ways
We should have been at least twice as rich on per capital basis than both of em WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT, and that's not even me painting an ideal picture.

Its embarrassing; I feel like the energy crisis of the 2000s, 2010s + Terrorism of 2000s, 2010s, 2020s really did a number.
 
I am saying this because both india and Bangladesh have much bigger problems than us: overpopulation(we didnt have this problem for the most part till now- now I think this is our problem too), religious flashpoints, lower resources, especially in the case of B'desh
If you actually sit back and look, even in the 60s and 50s our situation besides Kashmir was much more stable in many ways
We should have been at least twice as rich on per capital basis than both of em WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT, and that's not even me painting an ideal picture.

Its embarrassing; I feel like the energy crisis of the 2000s, 2010s + Terrorism of 2000s, 2010s, 2020s really did a number.

The powerful saying is worth something: power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely; nowhere is this more true than case of Pakistan. Based on today, India's civilian leadership were "meek", "non-aggressive" in the past but Pakistan establishment continued to fester hostilities to cement their hold on the government and discorporate share of assets. Terrorism, religious segregation and many other issues stem from the desire to hold power.

Its hard to imagine how a country of 260M hasn't had a democratically elected govt. last a single term. The biggest thing in democracy is peaceful transfer of power but in Pakistan there is no transfer at all. If citizens' can't hold elected reps to account, how will a democracy function - and if democracy doesn't function the state will always have a "power" center which takes away a disproportionate share of assets.

Unfortunate situation, to put it mildly. Enemies or not, the heart breaks a little when a young kid can't afford meals or educated youth are unemployed.
 
Low real growth and high inflation can surely increase nominal GDP (someone wants it) but high inflation eats into real wages, erodes purchasing power and that's why poverty is very likely going to increase and not decrease.
 
What has been destroyed consistently by each and every polity, politician/general, over the past 30+ years will not get fixed through miracles nor will it be fixed overnight. Nobody has an easy fix. They sit on it passing interim measures only to make the problem bigger for those that come after. The hot-potato situation continues thus Pakistan is the only country in the world that has never graduated from any of the multitude of IMF dictated programs.

Adding a basic overview from Google for additional context beyond the Dawn article:

Independent international bodies, including the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and the World Bank, attribute Pakistan’s disproportionately high poverty and economic instability to deep structural imbalances, governance failures, and elite capture rather than a simple lack of cash. [1, 2]
The country's economic model has effectively reached its structural limit, resulting in a system highly fragile to shocks. The core drivers behind Pakistan's persistent development challenges include: [1]

1. Chronic Misgovernance & Elite Capture
According to reports by the Asian Development Bank (ADB), poor governance is identified as the foundational driver of Pakistan's systemic poverty. [1, 2]
  • Economic policies have historically favored "elite capture"—where subsidies, tax exemptions, and resources heavily benefit powerful real estate, agricultural, and political cartels while leaving the broader population underserved.
  • Political instability and short-sighted fiscal horizons mean that successive administrations focus on immediate political survival rather than long-term industrialization or infrastructure development. [1, 2]

2. Failure to Invest in Human Capital
While neighbors like India and Bangladesh heavily prioritized literacy, basic health, and female labor workforce participation over the last three decades, Pakistan underinvested in its people. [1]
  • In the latest Global MPI data, education is the single largest contributor to deprivation in Pakistan.
  • An economy cannot transition into high-yield, tech-driven, or manufacturing industries when an enormous segment of its upcoming generation is out of school, malnourished, or lacks vocational training. This creates a permanent bottleneck of low-productivity labor. [1, 2, 3]

3. The "Tax-to-GDP" and Debt Trap
Pakistan suffers from a chronic revenue crisis. [1, 2]
  • The country possesses a massive informal economy that largely operates outside the official tax net. Because successive governments have been unable or unwilling to aggressively tax wealthy landowners, retail moguls, or real estate developers, the state relies heavily on regressive indirect taxes on everyday goods, crushing the lower and middle classes. [1, 2]
  • To cover fiscal deficits, Pakistan must continuously borrow. A significant portion of national revenue is spent merely servicing debt, leaving negligible funds for healthcare, clean water infrastructure, or public education. [1, 2, 3]

4. Extreme Climate Vulnerability
Pakistan pays a catastrophic price for climate change despite contributing minimally to global emissions. [1]
  • The 2022 monsoon floods alone inflicted an estimated $30 billion in damages, wiped out vast swaths of critical agricultural crops, and displaced millions.
  • For a population where 12.9% are perpetually "vulnerable" to poverty, a single climate hazard immediately decimates their homes and assets, pushing them past the threshold of acute multi-indicator collapse. [1, 2, 3, 4]

5. Consumption-Driven vs. Export-Led Growth
Pakistan's economic model relies heavily on importing fuel, machinery, and luxury items while possessing a narrow export base primarily limited to textiles and low-value agriculture. [1, 2]
  • Whenever the economy begins to grow, imports surge, foreign exchange reserves deplete rapidly, and the country falls into a balance-of-payments crisis.
  • This cycle routinely forces the state back to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for bailout packages. The austerity conditions required by these programs—such as raising electricity tariffs and removing fuel subsidies—stabilize macroeconomics but fuel skyrocketing inflation that directly drives local poverty rates up. [1, 2, 3, 4]
 
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The govts just roll out anti people policies. Rather than replacing expensive fossil fuels with renewable power they actually charge people who generate solar power. The Pakistani consumer led a solar revolution in this country only to be penalised for it.
 
What has been destroyed consistently by each and every polity, politician/general, over the past 30+ years will not get fixed through miracles nor will it be fixed overnight. Nobody has an easy fix. They sit on it passing interim measures only to make the problem bigger for those that come after. The hot-potato situation continues thus Pakistan is the only country in the world that has never graduated from any of the multitude of IMF dictated programs.
No need to be so sentimental. Pakistan is already among the finest in the entire Islamic world. It has nuclear weapons and can produce fighter jets and missiles, and it is growing ever more weighty in this increasingly turbulent era. God did not endow the land with wealth, but with your own hands you can create it.
 
The govts just roll out anti people policies. Rather than replacing expensive fossil fuels with renewable power they actually charge people who generate solar power. The Pakistani consumer led a solar revolution in this country only to be penalised for it.
My friend our problems are seldom single dimensional. Everything has an implication. My understanding on the removal of solar power subsidies is that the GoP did that because we are still stuck in the circular debt situation with the IPPs. Offering people subsidies for switching to solar power meant that even less power would be consumed and the IPPs had a stipulation that a certain amount of power had to be purchased (we asked them to expand power generation capacity when load-shedding was crippling the economy). With the IPPs comes the cost to produce electricity which unfortunately is dependent on the global oil prices etc.

The easier thing would be to tell the IPPs to lump it and get more and more people to solar power, but this is the tangled web that has been weaved over the past 3+ decades in trying to get beyond the load-shedding saga. Now we are stuck with these IPPs which inhibit our ability to get masses to solar and other renewable power sources.
 
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No need to be so sentimental. Pakistan is already among the finest in the entire Islamic world. It has nuclear weapons and can produce fighter jets and missiles, and it is growing ever more weighty in this increasingly turbulent era. God did not endow the land with wealth, but with your own hands you can create it.

What in the blue hell are you talking about?

The land is filthy rich, people hardworking.

You can say Muslims of the region have zero concept of fair distribution of wealth and culture of nepotism.
 
What in the blue hell are you talking about?

The land is filthy rich, people hardworking.

You can say Muslims of the region have zero concept of fair distribution of wealth and culture of nepotism.
Let’s get back to reality. There is no doubt that the wealthiest countries in the Islamic world all rely on massive amounts of oil and natural gas, and these countries are extremely corrupt. It’s not just cronyism—it’s rule by bloodline, nobles, and kings. As for fair distribution? You think a prince’s income gets shared with commoners? Are you dreaming? Be honest: Trump and his family are so corrupt, and the Jeffrey Epstein case swept through almost the entire American elite—did that affect America’s economic achievements?
 
Let’s get back to reality. There is no doubt that the wealthiest countries in the Islamic world all rely on massive amounts of oil and natural gas, and these countries are extremely corrupt. It’s not just cronyism—it’s rule by bloodline, nobles, and kings. As for fair distribution? You think a prince’s income gets shared with commoners? Are you dreaming? Be honest: Trump and his family are so corrupt, and the Jeffrey Epstein case swept through almost the entire American elite—did that affect America’s economic achievements?

Define national wealth.

Pakistan is a declared agriculture country. For it to be wealthy, it just means food security and self sustainability. You can argue that materialism has destroyed whatever remained of ethics but we will not be discussing of princes, nobles nor kings, they dont exist in Pakistan. Feudals and industrialists do and their empires are threatened by the economic depression likewise.

Pakistan has all necessary natural resources and a geography which cannot be matched in the mercantile world.

It simply lacks Unity, Faith and Discipline. Something a Sindhi merchant observed lacking and advocated for in very hard English taking inspiration from even harder to understand poetry of a Kashmiri.

This is 101 Jr.
 
Even with the best intentions, it's easy to fail facing such big problem.

Besides, in economy, usually altruist intentions work worse than create incentives for selfish behavior, even when it seems a contradiction. I think it's the reason of USSR collapse, and the success of USA, and China in 21st century.
 
Define national wealth.

Pakistan is a declared agriculture country. For it to be wealthy, it just means food security and self sustainability. You can argue that materialism has destroyed whatever remained of ethics but we will not be discussing of princes, nobles nor kings, they dont exist in Pakistan. Feudals and industrialists do and their empires are threatened by the economic depression likewise.

Pakistan has all necessary natural resources and a geography which cannot be matched in the mercantile world.

It simply lacks Unity, Faith and Discipline. Something a Sindhi merchant observed lacking and advocated for in very hard English taking inspiration from even harder to understand poetry of a Kashmiri.

This is 101 Jr.
Brother, are you living in a dream? Pakistan imports 90% of its oil and natural gas. Whether it’s fighter jets or tanks, without oil every machine is scrap metal. Are you a Gandhian? Food self-sufficiency? Without oil to power water pumps and produce fertilizer and pesticides, where is the food supposed to come from? Wake up. Most of Pakistan’s mineral deposits are in remote mountains with poor transportation and insurgencies—their extraction value can’t even cover the cost. That’s the reality. In classical times, Punjab’s grain meant prosperity; in the modern era, it means poverty. Are you going to sell grain to buy oil and natural gas?
 

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