Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

There should not be any deal, or an announcement of any deal before the election. Trump and his party need to suffer a severe electoral defeat because of this war.
Yes if there is a possibility of a deal let’s see if this guy is serious the Iranians tell him to get back to them after the elections but I doubt the Iranians are going to give him an even symbolic win by going back to the same agreement as before
 
Well for the most part other than a few bad flare ups nothing is different I don’t see Iran accepting another 60 day “ceasefire” that trump can unilaterally walk in and out of anytime he wants too
They agreed to de-escalate. Which is a strategic blunder by Iranian leadership. It's almost 100% guaranteed US and Israel cannot afford to attack before midterms and Brent oil prices are now skyrocketing. Pausing attacks on SOH at this stage is losing a advantage in neogiationing table.

The gain outweighs the cost. Iran can afford to absorb some sporadic strikes. It cannot afford to lose this opportunity as with more time the world is getting more creative in working around Iran to meet their energy needs.
 
The Houthis aren’t the villains here.

Bit rich of Saudis to cry about terrorism!

Wahabis have spread terrorism around the Muslim world. They have funded medieval madrasas that incubate terrorists.

No one pushes anyone towards the Satan. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions.
If you have time read and research on these groups, they didnt fall from the skies but by design young people are brainwashed, trained and funded. Its not only maddrassas, University educated people are recruited and used to brainwash normal people, media, tv, literature, they have a certain book which they consider like Quran, this builds the ideology. Some people are militants, some quiet but fund them, some run businesses, some spread literature and preach, some in to politics. It is a well funded nexus.

Abdullah Azzam Brigades - Middle east
Abu Sayyaf - Philippes
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army - Yemen
Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya - Somalia
Al-Mourabitoun - Sahel nations
Al Qaida - Worldwide
ISIS - Worldwide
Ansar al-Islam - Kurdistan
Ansar al-Sharia - Libya
Ansar Dine - Mali
Ansaru - Nigeria
The Armed Islamic Group - Algeria
Boko Haram - Nigeria
Caucasus Emirate - Russia
Egyptian Islamic Jihad - Egypt
Harakat Sham al-Islam - Syria
Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami
Harkat-ul-Mujahideen
Islamic Jihad Union
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Islamic State – Sahel Province
Liwa al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar - Syria
Jaish-e-Mohammed
Jamaah Ansharut Daulah - Indonesia
Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid - Indonesia
Jama'at Nusrat al-Islam wal-Muslimin - Mali
Jamaat-ul-Ahrar
Jemaah Islamiyah - Indonesia
Lashkar Taiba
Lashkar Jangvi
Lashkar Islami
Al Nusra Front Syria
Al Shabaab

The list continues.
 
Well what is he waiting for? Europeans are doing wrong everyday. They're supporting US to bomb Iran, by providing bases, fuel, access to air and land.
Iran in keeping oil prices high, before during and after the elections is harming Europe and punishing them for their support for trump. Iran is going to have a long list of targets, including possibly Europe.
 
They agreed to de-escalate. Which is a strategic blunder by Iranian leadership. It's almost 100% guaranteed US and Israel cannot afford to attack before midterms and Brent oil prices are now skyrocketing. Pausing attacks on SOH at this stage is losing a advantage in neogiationing table.

The gain outweighs the cost. Iran can afford to absorb some sporadic strikes. It cannot afford to lose this opportunity as with more time the world is getting more creative in working around Iran to meet their energy needs.
You don’t think that was Irans work around plan they waited for the right moment when they knew the Saudis would attack Houthis sooner than later and commenced the Houthi blitz Red Sea can be shutdown by the Houthis at any given time even if it’s just for a few weeks or a couple of months imagine drones hitting the suez one day which isn’t out of there scenario I recall a drone did that not to long ago might have been a trial run(I don’t remember the full details of incident I remember a American merchant ship being hit I could be wrong)
 
If you have time read and research on these groups, they didnt fall from the skies but by design young people are brainwashed, trained and funded. Its not only maddrassas, University educated people are recruited and used to brainwash normal people, media, tv, literature, they have a certain book which they consider like Quran, this builds the ideology. Some people are militants, some quiet but fund them, some run businesses, some spread literature and preach, some in to politics. It is a well funded nexus.

Abdullah Azzam Brigades - Middle east
Abu Sayyaf - Philippes
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army - Yemen
Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya - Somalia
Al-Mourabitoun - Sahel nations
Al Qaida - Worldwide
ISIS - Worldwide
Ansar al-Islam - Kurdistan
Ansar al-Sharia - Libya
Ansar Dine - Mali
Ansaru - Nigeria
The Armed Islamic Group - Algeria
Boko Haram - Nigeria
Caucasus Emirate - Russia
Egyptian Islamic Jihad - Egypt
Harakat Sham al-Islam - Syria
Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami
Harkat-ul-Mujahideen
Islamic Jihad Union
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Islamic State – Sahel Province
Liwa al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar - Syria
Jaish-e-Mohammed
Jamaah Ansharut Daulah - Indonesia
Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid - Indonesia
Jama'at Nusrat al-Islam wal-Muslimin - Mali
Jamaat-ul-Ahrar
Jemaah Islamiyah - Indonesia
Lashkar Taiba
Lashkar Jangvi
Lashkar Islami
Al Nusra Front Syria
Al Shabaab

The list continues.
Good list. And the level of shamelessness and lying is such that the Wahhabi-Salafis funded by Saudia point accusing fingers at others!
 
Good list. And the level of shamelessness and lying is such that the Wahhabi-Salafis funded by Saudia point accusing fingers at others!
That is half of the list, they use these groups to destroy, topple and blackmail rivals and independent Muslim governments. If all fails then direct invasion or no fly zone by Nato ie Libya and in Syria they wanted No fly zone but Russian direct involvment stopped it, look at Syria now, where are the 500k plus militants and extremists, why EU, Usa GCC hugging the terrorists. Its their boys in power and if the boys betray then a new type of extremism will be invented, funded and trained to fight the current one. ISIS a monster out of control but still someone is funding and giving them billions worth of supplies.

Its all propaganda and deception. Famous saying in the western world "if you lie 1000 times people will consider it as the truth".
 
You don’t think that was Irans work around plan they waited for the right moment when they knew the Saudis would attack Houthis sooner than later and commenced the Houthi blitz Red Sea can be shutdown by the Houthis at any given time even if it’s just for a few weeks or a couple of months imagine drones hitting the suez one day which isn’t out of there scenario I recall a drone did that not to long ago might have been a trial run(I don’t remember the full details of incident I remember a American merchant ship being hit I could be wrong)
The long delayed and thoroughly deserved come uppance of the Saudis and GCC is one of the silver linings of this war :)

Israelis also received a pounding worse than any of their previous wars and are mentally disturbed, as their image of invincibility is shattered.
 
The long delayed and thoroughly deserved come uppance of the Saudis and GCC is one of the silver linings of this war :)

Israelis also received a pounding worse than any of their previous wars and are mentally disturbed, as their image of invincibility is shattered.
I’m telling you Iranians are saving the Israelis for last weaken the defenses of all these countries around it because I think Iran is at a full dash pace replenishing its missiles and making sure they hit their targets as accurately as we have been seeing last few rounds Houthis included as well
 
I forgot and not making a joke but are those refueling planes still parked on a Qatari airbase if they are and unless Americans weren’t given advance warning just a training run

See that’s what the enemy wants you to think. That they will remove their remove those tankers before conflict.

Those are the same people who thought a morning assassination attack was not likely since all attacks occurred at night before the March war.

You need to always expect the unexpected.
 
See that’s what the enemy wants you to think. That they will remove their remove those tankers before conflict.

Those are the same people who thought a morning assassination attack was not likely since all attacks occurred at night before the March war.

You need to always expect the unexpected.
I keep saying the same about Iran they made their move in Yemen they’re now tagging Saudi Arabia but denying they are involved like the Saudis did with Iran Saudi Arabia is burning one section at a time(eye for an eye tooth for a tooth) regardless how I feel about that conflict Iranians want payback and weakening Saudi Arabia is just icing, Hezbollah has gone totally dark I mean dark zero communications this time and you don’t hear about Israelis killing a person on a motorcycle or anything either the Israelis are holding off attacking Hezbollah or Hezbollah has cut all of it communications completely if there is a flare up you might see multiple cells operating separately with different orders to confuse the Israelis(I honestly believe that to be true that many of these cells are now operating in smaller groups zero communications waiting for the signal or an event to happen)
 
You don’t think that was Irans work around plan they waited for the right moment when they knew the Saudis would attack Houthis sooner than later and commenced the Houthi blitz Red Sea can be shutdown by the Houthis at any given time even if it’s just for a few weeks or a couple of months imagine drones hitting the suez one day which isn’t out of there scenario I recall a drone did that not to long ago might have been a trial run(I don’t remember the full details of incident I remember a American merchant ship being hit I could be wrong)
Nah, this is mental gymnastics. Saudis never attacked Houthi's or intended to go any offensive. They were essentially a scared bystander in the entire Iran - US/Israel war. It's when Houthi's attacked their ships and went offensive in Yemen did it draw Saudis with some of their capacity in but it's not paying off for Iran.

What paid off for Iran was the daily resumption of strikes on oil tankers/ships in the SOH. They've now agreed to deescalate just for a promise for negotiations or sanctions relief back rolled through the UAE which is a strong ally to Israel.

A much more effective strategy would be daily attacks on SOH and UAE. I'm not advocating for war but if Iran wanted to seize the momentum that's what it would do.

Instead it's moving how the US/Israel/UAE and others planned it.

Don't think the US was unprepared and didn't plan for SOH closure scenario. They all planned for it and were ready for it. Long term they're choking the Iranian economy but giving a little relief every once awhile to stabilize energy markets and restore some infrastructure.

Eventually the population may get fed up of the pressure.

Right now the smart thing to do would be put foot on gas and if Trump does actually strike you go through a skirmish. If it takes farther with strikes on some power plants or oil infrastructure then you retaliate then accept off ramp which would be likely to open SOH for 1-2 months. You have take the gamble to ensure long term survival of regime.

The pressure was going up leading up to mid terms and this week it could go down if news of any pause or potential interim deal in works comes out.
 

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