Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[shapurzolaktaf]

Believe it or not, yes it was liberation against a 55 year tyrant regime. I know, hard to fathom an oppressed population rising up and overthrowing their tyrants, as many others have tried with some success back then, but that's what many in the ME and wider Arab region all tried to do. Crazy that people have had enough of brutal oppressions and demanded something different huh, but I wouldn't expect an Ausie to even remotely relate.

You Syrians and Libyans are very simple minded folks and easily tricked like kids, destroying your own country because of "liberation against tyranny", what a joke.

I think tribalism and sectarianism is strong in post-ottoman artificial constructs, where national identity is absent. The foolishness is organic, unlike the foolishness of Iranian "opposition", which is heavily funded and programmed by the same zios who destroyed Libya and Syria.

Some numbers during presidency of Bashar Al Assad until the civil war started (2000-2011)

• For the overall pre-war, when Assad (son) ruled (2000–2010), the inflation rate averaged less than 5.0% (single digit inflation).
• Average Real GDP Growth Rate: ~4.5% a year
• Increase of HDI from 0.591 to 0.644
• Life Expectancy: Increased from 70.8 years in 2000 to 74.4 years by 2010.
• Adult Literacy Rate: The total adult literacy rate (ages 15 and older) rose from roughly 80% in 2000 to 84.1% by 2010.
• Under-5 Mortality Rate: Syria saw a significant improvement here. The mortality rate for children under five dropped from 33 deaths per 1,000 live births in 2000 down to 17.9 deaths per 1,000 live births in 2010.
• unemployment rate: 8.4%
• Most important: no civil war, no destruction.

Instead of patiently waiting for the civil society, equality, HDI to grow further, people decided to do a "comprehensive liberation".

 

[Haz]

You Syrians and Libyans are very simple minded folks and easily tricked like kids, destroying your own country because of "liberation against tyranny", what a joke.

I think tribalism and sectarianism is strong in post-ottoman artificial constructs, where national identity is absent. The foolishness is organic, unlike the foolishness of Iranian "opposition", which is heavily funded and programmed by the same zios who destroyed Libya and Syria.

Some numbers during presidency of Bashar Al Assad until the civil war started (2000-2011)

• For the overall pre-war, when Assad (son) ruled (2000–2010), the inflation rate averaged less than 5.0% (single digit inflation).
• Average Real GDP Growth Rate: ~4.5% a year
• Increase of HDI from 0.591 to 0.644
• Life Expectancy: Increased from 70.8 years in 2000 to 74.4 years by 2010.
• Adult Literacy Rate: The total adult literacy rate (ages 15 and older) rose from roughly 80% in 2000 to 84.1% by 2010.
• Under-5 Mortality Rate: Syria saw a significant improvement here. The mortality rate for children under five dropped from 33 deaths per 1,000 live births in 2000 down to 17.9 deaths per 1,000 live births in 2010.
• unemployment rate: 8.4%
• Most important: no civil war, no destruction.

Man Iranian stooges are so incensed by their loss that they seem to feel entitled to, that they act like they are the victims in our tragedy lol. Never will you ever understand or acknowledge the oppression and brutality that has been going on since the very beginning of the Assad regime, from his fathers time onwards. The entire regime was a criminal enterprise and used widespread violence and torture and rape as a weapon of choice to maintain an iron fist over the general public, and no amount of your BS will ever gloss over the daily terror the regime had to enforce to keep us repressed just to preserve their cultish brutal rule for over 50 years.

But I imagine your regime will be doing that to your peoples too as they resort to more and more violence to maintain power there. So at least you'll get a taste of what that feels like, maybe you'll enjoy it at home for you and your families.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Man Iranian stooges are so incensed by their loss that they seem to feel entitled to, that they act like they are the victims in our tragedy lol. Never will you ever understand or acknowledge the oppression and brutality that has been going on since the very beginning of the Assad regime, from his fathers time onwards. The entire regime was a criminal enterprise and used widespread violence and torture and rape as a weapon of choice to maintain an iron fist over the general public, and no amount of your BS will ever gloss over the daily terror the regime had to enforce to keep us repressed just to preserve their cultish brutal rule.

But I imagine your regime will be doing that to your peoples too as they resort to more and more violence to maintain power there. So at least you'll get a taste of what that feels like, maybe you'll enjoy it at home for you and your families.

Emotional rant in reaction to my factual analysis, typical for the region.

If you read my comment again, nowhere did I say Assad was an angel. You should read how Spain, Chile, Portugal, Brazil reformed their systems. But your rigid Manichean black-and-white view, dividing systems into either very bad or very good and believing in Inherited debt/guilt (father to son), leaves no space for compromise, reforms and hope.

An estimated 50% of Syria's total infrastructure has been destroyed or left dysfunctional by the end of the 14-year civil war, according to comprehensive assessments by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and the World Bank.

 

[Haz]

Emotional rant in reaction to my factual analysis, typical for the region.

If you read my comment again, nowhere did I say Assad was an angel. You should read how Spain, Chile, Portugal, Brazil reformed their systems. But your rigid Manichean black-and-white view, dividing systems into either very bad or very good and believing in Inherited debt/guilt (father to son), leaves no space for compromise, reforms and hope.

An estimated 50% of Syria's total infrastructure has been destroyed or left dysfunctional by the end of the 14-year civil war, according to comprehensive assessments by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and the World Bank.

Again, you don't seem to understand that people's freedom and dignity matters even more than anything else you want to list. If you had generations of brutality and repression by a blanket security state that uses constant terror on you and your family to maintain their rule, which inflicted injustice on millions for decades to preserve their corrupt family iron grip, you'd understand. But since you live thousands of Kms away and it's not your family suffering it, you couldn't care less, and can never relate. The regime never changed or reformed, they just changed the figure head only, from father to son, the rest of it and all it's security apparatus, attitude, ways they maintained rule and governance, all the surrounding personnel and structures, all entirely remained the same.

That's not even going into how badly and poorly they managed the economy and the general lack of opportunity and hope of any real advancement or development, that even less repressed segments of the population were down on their future there and emigrated from the country in droves to seek better lives elsewhere for years prior to the civil war. That's just on top and above of everything else I mentioned that was more basic and essential to us.

And so kind of you to remind us that your regime, allied dictator, and Russia had ruined half the country, they were the only ones with that kind of fire power to do so, and have completely destroyed it before letting go. We're fully aware.

 

[BigGazza]

Believe it or not, yes it was liberation against a 55 year tyrant regime. I know, hard to fathom an oppressed population rising up and overthrowing their tyrants, as many others have tried with some success back then, but that's what many in the ME and wider Arab region all tried to do. Crazy that people have had enough of brutal oppressions and demanded something different huh, but I wouldn't expect an Ausie to even remotely relate.

Bashar al-Assads Syria was not that of Hafez the father, and he was certainly no "tyrant", but Syrians remained hopelessly divided on sectarian and religious divides and stupidly allowed foreign actors and special interest groups to stoke hatred between them. In general, Arabs don't seem to be able to put aside their religious and sectarian differences to concentrate on what should unite them, but instead squabble and fight among themselves to their downfall and their enemies advantage.

As for "brutal repressions" it is par for the course throughout the ME, and Assad was a lightweight compared to truly psychotic nutcases like those in the the House of Saud or House of Khalifa. Assad protected religious minorites and while the Alawites constituted the main faction in the power structure, this was positively cosmopolitan compared to the Wahhabi madhouse of the kleptomanical Saud family crime business. MBS imprisoned and torture members of his own house to force them to hand over their personal wealth... but you want to throw stones at Assad?

Even an Aussie can see the truth in this... so why can't the useful idiots in places like Syria and Libya? Where has this BS gotten them except a pair of ruined shattered nations, destroyed deliberately by foreign machinations and left without a future?

 

[Haz]

Bashar al-Assads Syria was not that of Hafez the father, and he was certainly no "tyrant", but Syrians remained hopelessly divided on sectarian and religious divides and stupidly allowed foreign actors and special interest groups to stoke hatred between them. In general, Arabs don't seem to be able to put aside their religious and sectarian differences to concentrate on what should unite them, but instead squabble and fight among themselves to their downfall and their enemies advantage.

As for "brutal repressions" it is par for the course throughout the ME, and Assad was a lightweight compared to truly psychotic nutcases like those in the the House of Saud or House of Khalifa. Assad protected religious minorites and while the Alawites constituted the main faction in the power structure, this was positively cosmopolitan compared to the Wahhabi madhouse of the kleptomanical Saud family crime business. MBS imprisoned and torture members of his own house to force them to hand over their personal wealth... but you want to throw stones at Assad?

Even an Aussie can see the truth in this... so why can't the useful idiots in places like Syria and Libya? Where has this BS gotten them except a pair of ruined shattered nations, destroyed deliberately by foreign machinations and left without a future?

Man the level of ignorance about the reality of the people in ME and what they go through is astounding. How would someone living on the complete opposite side of the world would be so confident to the point of arrogance to argue that their version and perspective of things is the true accurate reality rather than people whose entire families and history is from there is something I will never understand. Mind boggling.

If you think that Assad was a light weight, as if that would even be any justification which it isn't, then you don't have the faintest idea about what really goes on in our region. Not even the slightest. Assad's regime, both father and son, were far closer to Saddam's rule than to the Saudi rule. The Kingdoms there buy the apathy and indifference of the masses through generous social welfare and opulence, that is not the case for many other authoritarian regimes that can't afford to do that and have to resort to more repressive means. Contrary to what you seem to be deluded with, Assad regime was one of the most brutal, only him and Saddam used the military full might repeatedly on the general public, even before the war, and that was on top of the permanent violent security state apparatus that was ubiquitous in daily lives. Very few ME oppressive regimes have gone to that level of brutality and violence, not even Mubarak or Ben Ali had resorted to using their own militaries during their reign I don't think. But you keep on living in that fictional made up world you seem to have, it's completely irrelevant to us.

 

[Shags202]

@Haz when will it be time appalling isn’t it the Syrians of today fought against Assad but they won’t even defend the ill and disabled against an oppressor Syria today isn’t free they’re still in a prison

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/syrian-man-with-disabilities-shot-dead-by-idf-during-raid-army-says-he-posed-threat-to-troops/

 

[Haz]

@Haz when will it be time appalling isn’t it the Syrians of today fought against Assad but they won’t even defend the ill and disabled against an oppressor Syria today isn’t free they’re still in a prison

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/syrian-man-with-disabilities-shot-dead-by-idf-during-raid-army-says-he-posed-threat-to-troops/

Who knows when the time will be when we can fight back and not have it be a complete suicide mission that gambles the lives of 25 million other Syrians and their existence, but it certainly not now. But I'm sure you'll continue brow beating us over the fact that we're too weak to take on the strongest regional power alone right now. I wonder if you were this concerned about the lives of Syrians when Assad and your beloved Iran was extinguishing them by the thousands each week for years on end.

 

[Homajon]

Hahahaha, give it another year and it will be only 10%

Niiiiiiiiice

 

[Oublious]

I don’t disagree that the guy is too much but don’t you agree that israel is attempting to carve out more territory in Syria without even Syrian forces attempting to even respond today Al Jazeera reported the Israelis were indiscriminately firing upon Syrians and their property and Syrian forces have not even attempted to respond to these provocations we can’t keep saying Syrian government is being smart and not falling for Israel’s provocations because Israel doesn’t care they will keep encroaching on Syrian lands and take what they want just like Palestine

So what what will and can you do? Go war against pisrael? You need play the game and concentrate to your country and no war anymore. Go develop your economy, defence, basic needs like water and electricity.

He can take and you can do nothing for now. If you want go to war good luck.

 

[Shags202]

So what what will and can you do? Go war against pisrael? You need play the game and concentrate to your country and no war anymore. Go develop your economy, defence, basic needs like water and electricity.

He can take and you can do nothing for now. If you want go to war good luck.

I’m not Syrian and you sound fairly ignorant I don’t speak lightly of war but innocent lives are being taken on a daily basis and will be taken until someone stands up to tyranny but I’m going to put you on ignore

 

[Ali_Baba]

It's old script. Israel seized the Golan Heights from Syria in 1967, declared it a "buffer zone", expelled every ethnicity except the Druze, and then slowly settled Israelis there in the next 25 years and annexed it in the 1980s. Finally a total sellout like Trump became President in 2017 and recognized the Golan as Israeli territory (after generous campaign contributions by Sheldon Adelson).

Rinse and repeat for the rest of the Mideast.

Syria should worry less about involvement in Yemen and more about how to stop the encroachments from Israel.

 

[prothought]

You still don't understand. As long as there is unfairness and resentment, external forces can intervene and provoke war at any time through the oppressed Alawite faction. Racial inequality is the entropy increase of civilization. If we do not undergo a process of fixed entropy and reorganize order, then this civilization or country will eventually lead to extinction.

Yes, it is correct in general that if 'there is unfairness and resentment, external forces can intervene and provoke war at any time'. On the other hand, it is not difficult for a determined enemy to find out and exploit at least some elements having resentment in any given society. Evils like Irani mullahs would actually instigate such resentment and hatred by exploiting sectarian divide in other countries.

In the context of Syria, what Alawites have done with Syrian people in the past, I don't think they stand any chance of returning to power in that country. However, they must be held accountable, prosecuted, and punished for the heinous crimes they committed during their rule.

You cannot let Alawites get away with their crimes in the name of oppression.

 

[Shags202]

L

I will ignore screem warior like you, a ignorant telling others to go war but he self is jerking offfff...

fak off faking poorsian..

Palestinian insult please

 

[Homajon]

Under the hero Assad, this would have been impossible.
But under Kharaa (who promised to conquer Jerusalem after Assad is ousted), everything is possible!