Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Yasser76]

So is Pakistan allowed to strike back or will the usual "Pakistani" sympathisers on here claim we are doing the Zionist's work for them?

 

[maxpane]

So is Pakistan allowed to strike back or will the usual "Pakistani" sympathisers on here claim we are doing the Zionist's work for them?

No no strike. soon you will see trolls flooding and justyifing attack and like irani propganda and praising and criticizing Pak

 

[Yasser76]

No no strike. soon you will see trolls flooding and justyifing attack and like irani propganda and praising and criticizing Pak

100% usual clowns on here will blame CDF, then claim they are being patriotic by legitimately critising Pakistan

Pakistan Army and our nuclear programme is the only reason we dont have US Bradley IFVs parked outside our ancestral villages and 19 year old boys from Nebraska patting down our mothers and sisters for fun, yet some brave anonymous keyboard warriors here will attack the very people who provide that blanket of protection to us

 

[PK781]

So is Pakistan allowed to strike back or will the usual "Pakistani" sympathisers on here claim we are doing the Zionist's work for them?

The belligerent IRGC needs to be put in its place. Iran attacking friendly regional countries simply cant be allowed and this unprovoked escalation.
Those mullahs must think we're sitting ducks and subservient to them?

Yeah well i don't and no longer have any sympathy for them all. If theyre attacking our assets then theyre an enemy just like afghanistan and india for us

 

[Yasser76]

The belligerent IRGC needs to be put in its place. Iran attacking friendly regional countries simply cant be allowed and this unprovoked escalation.
Those mullahs must think we're sitting ducks and subservient to them?

Yeah well i don't and no longer have any sympathy for them all. If theyre attacking our assets then theyre an enemy just like afghanistan and india for us

I hope we do something now, Persians seem to think we are Bahrain or Kuwait

 

[Master Chief]

Yup, the Makkah alliance is designed to add an extra layer of deterrence around this

Turkey in particular, through statecraft and nation building is sitting in a place of real strategic heft with Europe who are openly courting Turkish military strength to maintain NATO, with USA who now might offer f35, in the middle east and in south Asia... In addition to it's other sphere of Turkic state's




This is in stark contrast to a revolutionary state that needs to perpetually justify it's revolution, it's never stable, credit to the Saudis for being pragmatic enough to acknowledge this and work with turkey, credit to Pakistan to help push alignments, ultimately this is Pakistans natural position to create synergies

Nice summary. The real benefits of this pact will indeed be realised in peacetime, not in wartime. The deterrence to India alone is huge. Folks may also be forgetting that historically, where Pakistan has left a void in the middle east, jeetos have stepped in to fill that void. I would tentatively infer that the lessons of past episodes of neglect have been learned.

The challenge now is to build on this and to preserve peace, while systematically cornering the great malevolence of our age, in order to fully realise this pact's potential. I differ with some on this thread who advocate for a knee jerk reaction to a recent strike on a Pakistani LNG tanker - it may be wiser to simply calmly tighten the screw on the Houthi rabble and watch and wait regarding Iran - they are still not what I would perceive as a direct threat to Pakistan, far from it. Their enemies remain the actual long term threat to us. Regime change in Tehran would be very damaging to Pakistan.

 

[RescueRanger]

Why can't you all understand some attacks are more halal than most. Mufti Fatwa.com said so...

How dare you speak out about targeting of civilian infrastructure and essential shipping of neutral nations... You bunch of Zionist agents!!!

*Droning intensifies* *TC power levels over 9000* *Rage seethes over* *eyes go bloodshot* queue naruto transformation music

ドローン変形、ゴー！

 

[Yasser76]

Why can't you all understand some attacks are more halal than most. Mufti Fatwa.com said so...

How dare you speak out about targeting of civilian infrastructure and essential shipping of neutral nations... You bunch of Zionist agents!!!

*Droning intensifies* *TC power levels over 9000* *Rage seethes over* *eyes go bloodshot* queue naruto transformation music

ドローン変形、ゴー！
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IRGC Commander: "No, do not attack Israel, they will nail us to a cross, can we hit that Qatari civilian vessel again? That's always good publicity, and they cant fire back"

 

[r3alist]

I hope we do something now, Persians seem to think we are Bahrain or Kuwait

It is exactly this

They also eagerly threw Pakistan under the bus with aq khan

The recent public disclosure on Israel being the threat is to weaken arabs with the west, it was a deflection from what Iran is doing

The Persian youth are completely different, the children of the irgc are not like their parents

I have heard atheist regime hating anti Muslim Persians still talking about Makkah should be under Iranian control because of it's strategic value,it's cold strategic calculation

Finally, historically the Iranian Islamic dynasties never conquered outwardly, it's always within the Muslim world, the ottomans and Arabs did go outwardly

Nice summary. The real benefits of this pact will indeed be realised in peacetime, not in wartime. The deterrence to India alone is huge. Folks may also be forgetting that historically, where Pakistan has left a void in the middle east, jeetos have stepped in to fill that void. I would tentatively infer that the lessons of past episodes of neglect have been learned.

The challenge now is to build on this and to preserve peace, while systematically cornering the great malevolence of our age, in order to fully realise this pact's potential. I differ with some on this thread who advocate for a knee jerk reaction to a recent strike on a Pakistani LNG tanker - it may be wiser to simply calmly tighten the screw on the Houthi rabble and watch and wait regarding Iran - they are still not what I would perceive as a direct threat to Pakistan, far from it. Their enemies remain the actual long term threat to us. Regime change in Tehran would be very damaging to Pakistan.

Well taking the houthis out would finish their last proxy, then the Taliban will be activated I guess by Iran , and maybe adding Syria with increased Turkish footprint would be a good move for the pact

(some Saudi religious leaders talking against the Taliban would be useful ....pact friends etc)


If regime change happens in Iran and it's sufficiently organic Pakistan has to act decisively as an early supporter, look at the demographic trend in Iran, about 30% are ideologically aligned ...max.

the Indian convergence with Iran is all about pressure and divide in the Sunni world from Irans pov, India is right to keep a distance

Also internally Pakistan Shia population will have to reassess their Iranian sympathy I guess?

the concern would be where irgc would go but that's an internal matter

 

[PK781]

This is why Syria and Iraq joining thr pact won't be liked by the iranians as it is against their hegemonic dreams.
Syrian people have realized the cost of being a proxy and want nothing to do with it now. They see the real game being played.

These arab nations will fit right in with the MDA and be a great and necessary addition once the cleanup of proxy is done and over.

 

[r3alist]

This is why Syria and Iraq joining thr pact won't be liked by the iranians as it is against their hegemonic dreams.
Syrian people have realized the cost of being a proxy and want nothing to do with it now. They see the real game being played.

These arab nations will fit right in with the MDA and be a great and necessary addition once the cleanup of proxy is done and over.

Israel and Iran both won't like this, that's the interesting part about the pact

 

[Yasser76]

Israel and Iran both won't like this, that's the interesting part about the pact

Does make you think right. The Mullahs and the Zionists to some extent are self supporting, both need each other as bogeymen

 

[Master Chief]

If regime change happens in Iran and it's sufficiently organic Pakistan has to act decisively as an early supporter, look at the demographic trend in Iran, about 30% are ideologically aligned ...max.

the Indian convergence with Iran is all about pressure and divide in the Sunni world from Irans pov, India is right to keep a distance

Good post but on this specific point, a regime change in Iran will only bring the Pahlavists, nobody else of significance.

The senior Shah was our friend and even an ally largely because of Cold War loyalties. This paradigm simply does not exist now. Today's Pahlavists are a rabid and incorrigible bunch who are barely different to zionists in their outlook - they will certainly look to harm Pakistan either with Indian help, Afghan help, or without. The same civilisational obsessions deployed by the hindu and the Afghan lie dormant within the brain of these Pahlavist types. I don't think they can be brought to heel if they get a taste of power again in Tehran.

My own personal opinion is that a quiet and passive IR Iran is now the best solution. They've had their go at building a new middle east and have failed miserably, regardless the outcome of any impending conflict with Isr-USA. Daily ululations cursing one's enemies at every street corner coupled with reliance on stateless irregulars does not create any pressure on one's enemies whatsoever - it is unfortunate because the education levels and technical know-how of Iranians is outstanding, but seems to have been squandered by their myopic leadership.

 

[r3alist]

Does make you think right. The Mullahs and the Zionists to some extent are self supporting, both need each other as bogeymen

Ssshhhhhhh.......Can we get banned from this thread like the other one

The Saudis get accused of being a colonial legacy state, utterly forgetting that the revolution also has foreign elements in its formation, a revolutionary regional disruptor, that likely dissolves after the revolution fades but leaves the disruption behind..... Let the conspiracies brew

 

[r3alist]

Good post but on this specific point, a regime change in Iran will only bring the Pahlavists, nobody else of significance.

The senior Shah was our friend and even an ally largely because of Cold War loyalties. This paradigm simply does not exist now. Today's Pahlavists are a rabid and incorrigible bunch who are barely different to zionists in their outlook - they will certainly look to harm Pakistan either with Indian help, Afghan help, or without. The same civilisational obsessions deployed by the hindu and the Afghan lie dormant within the brain of these Pahlavist types. I don't think they can be brought to heel if they get a taste of power again in Tehran.

My own personal opinion is that a quiet and passive IR Iran is now the best solution. They've had their go at building a new middle east and have failed miserably, regardless the outcome of any impending conflict with Isr-USA. Daily ululations cursing one's enemies at every street corner coupled with reliance on stateless irregulars does not create any pressure on one's enemies whatsoever - it is unfortunate because the education levels and technical know-how of Iranians is outstanding, but seems to have been squandered by their myopic leadership.

Completely valid points, the Makkah alliance would be challenged by the three i's