Learjet 60 crashes in Florida - Crashes 9 Miles from Mar-a-Lago

[AZ_HighCountry]

She had aspirations of becoming a commercial pilot.

 

[Watandar]

I don't know if it is still the case or not; back in the day, friends of mine listened into police communications.

You can listen to fire and police dispatch from many cities now. Eg NY metro.

New York City Metro Audio Feeds

Audio feeds in New York City metro area

www.broadcastify.com

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

You can listen to police dispatch from many cities around the world now.

Browse Audio Feeds

Browse live audio feeds on Broadcastify

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Dispatch is one thing.

I was referring to officer communications.

 

[j_hungary]

Pilots age or gender in such accidents is immaterial. Equipment failure or bad decisions can be made at any age or by any gender. She was a qualified pilot who simply ran into unfortunate circumstances

Yeah, I don't know why they were focusing on her........

As I said somewhere, it wouldn't change the outcome anyway if she were indeed flying.

 

[safriz]

NTSB press conference

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Yeah, I don't know why they were focusing on her........

As I said somewhere, it wouldn't change the outcome anyway if she were indeed flying.

The answer is obvious:

A young, attractive female who earned her wings before obtaining her driver's license. She's certainly not the first and won't be the last. But, she's a bit of a celebrity so hence the focus.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

She was no rookie behind the stick:

 

[Ali_Baba]

She was no rookie behind the stick:

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I saw that - that is a lot of flying.

 

[safriz]

They initially started losing altitude at 8k feet per minute , then 10k feet per minute then 20k feet per minute and banking 60 degrees. At that sink rate their downward speed is over 200 Mph. No wonder they hit the ground like a missile.
Some natural even started the sequence . Must be the usual downdraft of cumulous clouds . But those downdrafts are not usually over 5000 Feet per minute.
20,000 feet per minute of sink rate has to be a powered flight , or engine thrust pointing the wrong way.
The last thing she says was "Jack look outside" , meaning the person flying was concentrating too much on instruments , and probably adding to the emergency by wrong orientation of the plane.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I saw that - that is a lot of flying.

Indeed.

And, from a commercial pilot perspective, she more than exceeded the minimum 250 hour requirement. Interestingly, the average preferred flight time for a copilot is 1500 hours so not only was she clearly experienced, she was close to the preferred threshold. The fact she held a multi-engine rating is significant.

In my own non-pilot opinion, common sense says in general her experience can be ruled out. So that will then focus on how many hours did she have on a Learjet 60? Again, that may turn out to be irrelevant.

 

[KingQamaR]

6 months ago it was same plane and crew hit severe Turbulence? Oh wow. You start to get the feeling that maybe this aeroplane company drilled into their pilots heads that weather wasn’t such a “big deal”? …. …..

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

6 months ago it was same plane and crew hit severe Turbulence? Oh wow. You start to get the feeling that maybe this aeroplane company drilled into their pilots heads that weather wasn’t such a “big deal”? …. …..

Or, maybe a private owner. That all is likely to come out in the NTSB report. Still, the question to be asked is why they didn't take a detour away from the storm?

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

Or, maybe a private owner. That all is likely to come out in the NTSB report. Still, the question to be asked is why they didn't take a detour away from the storm?

how big was the storm, maybe they did not have enough fuel to go around?

 

[PK781]

Sadly there have been too many previous/past tragedies with planes flying into storms, AF447 comes to mind with a A330, and then many DC-9s in the past.
I really don't like that design of the tail fin on this jet and the old or smaller planes.

Much Prefer the design on planes like B747,B777,A330 types(tail and locations of the stabilizers and elevators etc).
Even with latest tech and planes, flying into storms should be definitely avoided at all costs.

RIP to all the dead, very devastating news and accident.
Hope the NTSB findings can lead to improvement of the shitty tail designs on jets like this