Russia - Ukraine war part ll. News and Discussions

[Yommie]

Of which year?

This year. There's only a bit left. 10% or so. And all the logistics routes are cut.

 

[BigGazza]

Russians rely on quantity and quality advantage over Ukrainians but Ukrainians are more fearsome warriors descended from Kievan Rus which is Vikings.

What?

Kievan Rus are the progenitors of the modern Russians, not Ukrainians. Kiev is a Russian city, not Ukrainian. Prior to the rise of the USSR, "Ukraine" was term for the nebulous western borderlands between Russian slavic influence and East Europe (Polish/Lithuania Commonwealth, Swedes, Hungarians, Romanians etc). Their may be a dialect & cultural difference between the ethnic Russian lands in the Kiev and Moscow regions of influence, but it was only skin deep. These contemporary divergences are a transient thing, initially driven by Leninist bolshies desire to de-emphasise the Russian identity in the new USSR and create a seperate Ukrainian identity (incorporating Tsarist-era Novorossiya intp the newly created Ukrainian SSR in 1922, and then Kruschev transferring Crimea in 1954), and also by the inclusion of non-Russian ex-Hapsberg European peoples as part of an expanded West Ukraine. Since 1991 the divergence has been a deliberate policy of the West in concert with Ukrainian nationalists from the ex-Hapsberg regions, driven by a toxic mix of geopolitical conflict, race hate and latent ethnic supremacy in those who cling to Banderite ideology.

The idea that "Ukrainians" are more fearsome than "Russians" is like saying our right foot is superior to our left.

 

[BigGazza]

Looks like Dobropillia might fall soon.

Old news. The pressure on mapping sites to conform to the infowar narratives is becoming intense. Lots of grey money is sloshing around to "influence" the mapping projects to stick to Western narratives. FWIW Dobropilya has already been liberated, now they are mopping up.

 

[BigGazza]

9M544 is the unsung hero of the war.

Agreed, and its amusing to note the diametrically opposite treatment in the Western MSM between their previous adoration of HIMARS and their total dismissal of Russian analogs like Smerch, Tornado, Uragan and TOS.

A wonderful example of pro-narrative pandering and institutional bias.

 

[Viet]

Not bad with that amount
5,000 jet powered, 2,000 propeller powered a month
Putin war machine goes all in.
Ukraine needs to top that number.

 

[Viet]

What?

Kievan Rus are the progenitors of the modern Russians, not Ukrainians. Kiev is a Russian city, not Ukrainian. Prior to the rise of the USSR, "Ukraine" was term for the nebulous western borderlands between Russian slavic influence and East Europe (Polish/Lithuania Commonwealth, Swedes, Hungarians, Romanians etc). Their may be a dialect & cultural difference between the ethnic Russian lands in the Kiev and Moscow regions of influence, but it was only skin deep. These contemporary divergences are a transient thing, initially driven by Leninist bolshies desire to de-emphasise the Russian identity in the new USSR and create a seperate Ukrainian identity (incorporating Tsarist-era Novorossiya intp the newly created Ukrainian SSR in 1922, and then Kruschev transferring Crimea in 1954), and also by the inclusion of non-Russian ex-Hapsberg European peoples as part of an expanded West Ukraine. Since 1991 the divergence has been a deliberate policy of the West in concert with Ukrainian nationalists from the ex-Hapsberg regions, driven by a toxic mix of geopolitical conflict, race hate and latent ethnic supremacy in those who cling to Banderite ideology.

The idea that "Ukrainians" are more fearsome than "Russians" is like saying our right foot is superior to our left.

Can Russia produce washing machine? Or anything? Putin took a washing machine when he returned from Germany. If the Russians just spend time and money to make life better instead of producing non stop nonsense. Russia is dying at rapid pace.

 

[Yommie]

Can Russia produce washing machine? Or anything? Putin took a washing machine when he returned from Germany. If the Russians just spend time and money to make life better instead of producing non stop nonsense. Russia is dying at rapid pace.

Russia has a Haier factory that makes washing machines.

 

[BigGazza]

Can Russia produce washing machine? Or anything? Putin took a washing machine when he returned from Germany. If the Russians just spend time and money to make life better instead of producing non stop nonsense. Russia is dying at rapid pace.

Are you serious?

Are you really suggesting that a nation that can maintain an independent manned space program, or can develop its own 100% indigenous aeropsace & defense industry, is somehow incapable of making its own domestic white goods?



Just because you don't know any Russian brand names (made in Russia for its domestic market and not exported) doesn't mean that such brands don't exist. This is just our stupid propagandists (like this credentialled idiot Sarah paine) leveraging the unrivalled ignorance of Western audiences to try and score some points in the (useless) anti-Russian inforwar.

BTW what does this nonsense about washing machine have to to do with my post? If you choose to quote then you should at least try to debate the topic, not charge down an unrelated rabbit hole and indulge in childish insults. Its almost like you are conceding the point but trying to distract the audience...

 

[Viet]

Are you serious?

Are you really suggesting that a nation that can maintain an independent manned space program, or can develop its own 100% indigenous aeropsace & defense industry, is somehow incapable of making its own domestic white goods?



Just because you don't know any Russian brand names (made in Russia for its domestic market and not exported) doesn't mean that such brands don't exist. This is just our stupid propagandists (like this credentialled idiot Sarah paine) leveraging the unrivalled ignorance of Western audiences to try and score some points in the (useless) anti-Russian inforwar.

BTW what does this nonsense about washing machine have to to do with my post? If you choose to quote then you should at least try to debate the topic, not charge down an unrelated rabbit hole and indulge in childish insults. Its almost like you are conceding the point but trying to distract the audience...

All legacy from USSR, and in case you missed it: Ukraine contributed much to USSR military and industrial power. What’s the point two biggest Slavs nations killing each other? In 10-15 years from now there will be no male in Russia. Putin wants to replace population by clones and robots?

 

[Michael]

Official News:
Russian Defense Minister Belousov visits Beijing.

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The official press release makes no mention of the Russia-Ukraine war, nor does it include any detailed discussion of the current international situation. Therefore, I will not be translating it.

It is worth noting that the Chinese representative who met with him was General Zhang Shengmin, who had just been promoted to Vice Chairman of the Central Military Commission. This is a truly powerful figure in the Chinese military, not Dong Jun, the Chinese Minister of National Defense, who holds a nominal position.