PAF Conducts successful test of indigenously developed FAAZ BVRAAM

[ThoroughPro]

Block 1's ALWAYS had BVR capability with SD-10As when they were upgraded to Block II standards(without the refuelling probe).

I don't understand why people think that the Block 1 airframes have no BVR capability when we have seen soo many pictures of Block 1's with SD-10s

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The FAAZ BVR does not bring BVR capability to the JF17, it already had it. It just adds a different type of BVR....

only to confuse the enemy

 

[ThoroughPro]

The absolute most fascinating thing over the past couple of days has been how not a single Indian member has come forward to congratulate Pakistan, despite being glued to this thread 24/7. It boggles the mind.

the real fascinating thing is the simplcity of your thought to expect them congratulate us on our success

 

[Pakistan First]

Block 1's ALWAYS had BVR capability with SD-10As when they were upgraded to Block II standards(without the refuelling probe).

I don't understand why people think that the Block 1 airframes have no BVR capability when we have seen soo many pictures of Block 1's with SD-10s

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The FAAZ BVR does not bring BVR capability to the JF17, it already had it. It just adds a different type of BVR....

Ofcourse, SD-10s were the very first BVR weapon of PAF in late 2000s. (2009ish i guess). I don't think anyone believes that block1s weren't BVR. That will be really stupid given massive amount of documentary evidence from late 2000s onwards.

Faaz adds several benefits on top.
20+ KM increased range, different seeker / updated avionics and on top local production capability. BVR missiles have a shelf life. The old batch of SD-10As could be entering into phase-out period.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

BVR missile effectiveness is determined by several factors including range, speed, guidance accuracy, energy retention, targeting information, and resistance to electronic warfare.

Since we don’t have access to official technical documentation or independently verified performance data for the Fa’az missile, any comparison with the SD-10 or PL-15 remains largely speculative.

My question is: Does Pakistan have the technological and industrial capability to develop a reliable, accurate, and electronically resilient BVR missile system that can be fully integrated with its fighter aircraft and airborne surveillance network?

 

[Pakistan First]

My question is: Does Pakistan have the technological and industrial capability to develop a reliable, accurate, and electronically resilient BVR missile system that can be fully integrated with its fighter aircraft and airborne surveillance network?

It definitely has. If management issues are sorted then the potential Pakistan has is much more.

The state organisations like Nescom/(NDC, AWC, MTC etc), PAC, NASTP, PAEC, KRL and more have tens of thousands of man-power (engineers / scientists), they got enormous setups, machinery. There's some private emerging companies too.

Obviously, there could be certain components which we'd prefer to import.

I am 100% certain, this missile is an upgrade over SD-10/ R-77. These missiles are quite old now. We are not at the league to develop missiles that can match performance of latest missiles by China or US. For very cutting edge, we'll keep importing super expensive PL-15 (or whatever future version become available). PL-15/E is atleast 1.5 to 2 million dollar a piece. For reference Meteor is 2.4 million dollars a piece. You fire a missile and it hit nothing, you just wasted 2 millions dollars. (and people here wants missile trucks to keep firing missiles as if we had free infinite supply).

The local production is important, We have significant fleet that can use locally produced missiles as old SD-10s reaches their EOL. Secondly, I am 100% sure, one day maybe soon enough we'll see FAAZ missile series onboard UCAVs and its ground based variants for SAMs. We needed local solution for mass production. We definitely cannot buy/import entire stock off the shelf. You have to start at some point for achieving local capabilities. You cannot expect to develop a PL-15 at your first attempt.

BTW, reverse engineering or atleast influencing from a design, is a very real thing. It happens around the world. Even US do (LUCAS recent example).. China has progressed massively from this approach. Entire line of their first initial products used to match strikingly similar to existing products by Russia / West. I'd certainly not mind if any of our designs are influenced from a proven product as long as the product works as expected and we can achieve local production. We just have to make best use of time and resources.

 

[Michael]

My question is: Does Pakistan have the technological and industrial capability to develop a reliable, accurate, and electronically resilient BVR missile system that can be fully integrated with its fighter aircraft and airborne surveillance network?

This depends on the level at which you define the issue—or, in other words, the depth to which you probe the capabilities of an industrial system.

I support Pakistan in delving deeply into these weapon technologies. But the ability to have "truly independent industry" is a completely different matter.

 

[Falcon26]

The absolute most fascinating thing over the past couple of days has been how not a single Indian member has come forward to congratulate Pakistan, despite being glued to this thread 24/7. It boggles the mind.

Why do you want Indians to congratulate you? Are they obligated to congratulate you?

Need to let go off this India-centric mindset. The world does not revolve around India or Indians.