BrahMos: Greek Experts Pitch Indo-Russian Supersonic Cruise Missile To Checkmate S-400 Armed Turkey

[fulcrum]

Because you don't know how it works. It is not only source codes but also they purchased the right modify those jets earlier. This why they were also able to fire indeginous BVR from one of those block 40 with American mission computer. And they are now replacing all the avionics altogether.

However, with later block 50s they don't have the same rights. And can't install their own mission computers.

Wait but turkey in past had upgraded 117 f16 block 40 & block 50 with inhouse developed CCIP upgrade package which also changed mission computer... Even they have worked on frame modification to increase lifespan from 8000hrs to 1200hrs..

 

[Afif]

And all you have is trolling.

And all you can do is get salty, for no reason. Unfortunate.

 

[Afif]

Wait but turkey in past had upgraded 117 f16 block 40 & block 50 with inhouse developed CCIP upgrade package which also changed mission computer... Even they have worked on frame modification to increase lifespan from 8000hrs to 1200hrs..

The short answer is No, if you can wait I will provide a detailed answer later. Right now I am a bit busy.

 

[kaku]

And all you can do is get salty, for no reason.

Where? You given an answer, which was wrong, I corrected it.

For no reason whatsoever, only person getting salty is you, maybe flag is wrong? And it hurted your feeling when giving facts about F-16 V upgrade.

 

[Afif]

Where? You given an answer, which was wrong, I corrected it.

For no reason whatsoever, only person getting salty is you, maybe flag is wrong? And it hurted your feeling when giving facts about F-16 V upgrade.

No it doesn't hurt my feeling. And you corrected nothing. You just made a claim without backing it up.

The question is simple, how did you know Türkiye is InCaPaBle of developing such subsystems? do you have access to Aselsan's classified files and know Ozgur program's sensetive specs? If not, then I will not take random people's's word for it.

And don't talk about about flags.

 

[lacy]

Where? You given an answer, which was wrong, I corrected it.

For no reason whatsoever, only person getting salty is you, maybe flag is wrong? And it hurted your feeling when giving facts about F-16 V upgrade.

yeah put a 1152 T/R GaN radar behind the radome and use 1Mbit datarate bus to feed from. It's totally logical.

 

[kaku]

No it doesn't hurt my feeling. And you corrected nothing.

The question is simple how did you know Türkiye is InCaPaBle of developing such subsystems? do you have access to Aselsan's classified files and know Ozgur program's sensetive specs? If not, then I will not take random people's's word for it.

And don't talk about about flags.

The proof that they paying such hefty amount, tells alot.and Ozgur radar not even on flying test bed, but I think you have some interests to believe otherwise.

 

[Afif]

The proof that they paying such hefty amount, tells alot.and Ozgur radar not even on flying test bed, but I think you have some interests to believe otherwise.

Lol, Aselsan says MURAD is flying on board modified F16 for testing procedures. And some random guy says it is not even on a flying test bed.

And the 'proof' you are presenting is called guesswork. Not to mention nobody knows the acual worth of the deal if it is ever to be concluded.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I think u haven't seen brahmos hitting videos. There are abundant videos of brahmos hitting small targets at just 4 metre height...
That's just in videos for yt. Imagine what it could be doing at plain seas.
Secondly even Chinese missiles can do 'S' Shaped munuever have they released videos ? I think no country has released videos of there anti ship missile doing S munuever.
What supersonics missiles are not true sea skimmers
Watch at 1:00, hitting at 3 Metre altitude...
Watch whole video anyways...

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At cruise stage all supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles are cruises 10s of meters or more supersonic anti-ship Missiles like BRAHMOUSE has cruise altitude of 30 meters unlike subsonic ones which have a cruise altitude of 5 meter or less

And last I'm not talking about terminal phase altitude of supersonic cruise missiles which always lower altitude than cruise altitude, and cruise altitude is also depend on sea state of the oceans and seas

 

[fulcrum]

At cruise stage all supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles are cruises 10s of meters or more supersonic anti-ship Missiles like BRAHMOUSE has cruise altitude of 30 meters unlike subsonic ones which have a cruise altitude of 5 meter or less

And last I'm not talking about terminal phase altitude of supersonic cruise missiles which always lower altitude than cruise altitude, and cruise altitude is also depend on sea state of the oceans and seas

Ohh yeah this is open public domain damn like how do u even know this ..
Such things are kept very very classified okay if you don't trust indian sea skeeming numbers okay but you can accept Russia p800's number rosoboran has officially claimed it does sea skeeming at 5m. .
Brahmos can & does skeeming at 3-4metres altitude..

 

[fulcrum]

Lol, Aselsan says MURAD is flying on board modified F16 for testing procedures. And some random guy says it is not even on a flying test bed.

And the 'proof' you are presenting is called guesswork. Not to mention nobody knows the acual worth of the deal if it is ever to be concluded.

The 40 f16V will cost 100-120 million dollars each. I'm talking as whole package..
So the deal will worth somewhere between 4-4.5 Billion dollars..
And upgrade cost of 79 aircrafts will be somewhere around 38-40 millions each. so for 79f16v kits it should cost around 3.2 billion dollars.

(Note above prices has been taken from Taiwan, Slovak deals & has been adjusted with inflation)
Now the most important thing how many missiles ammunitions they are purchasing. we have no idea about it..
I think turkey only operates aim120c5 they haven't got C7. There is no chance of getting c8 anyways..
Most likely they will get C7 and if they do get c8 then will be paying alot..
The C7 will cost atleast 1.1 million dollars
They could buy somewhere around 500-1000 missiles.. even more I think the shelf life of existing turkish amraam is over..

Anyways the whole deal will cost around 7-8 billions.. and they will buy additional missiles too.
My guess it shouldn't exceed 8.5 billions..

 

[nahtanbob]

Back to the topic worst scenario for Turkiye will be if in future Greece goes for NG versions faster, lighter and smaller that can be fitted on smaller fighter jets of Greece like Mirage 2000s, rafales...... that will be very scary development in Mediterranean.....

Turks do not have a navy worth mentioning

 

[Afif]

The 40 f16V will cost 100-120 million dollars each. I'm talking as whole package..

I don't think so, I expect the whole package to be around 150 millions.Taiwan deal is not exactly ideal to base our estimate on it for some reasons. But I won't go into that derail for now.

Now the most important thing how many missiles ammunitions they are purchasing. we have no idea about it..
I think turkey only operates aim120c5 they haven't got C7. There is no chance of getting c8 anyways..

Actually we have. Besides TuRAF has been operating AIM-120 C-7 from early 2010s. I saw an actual photo of it. Not the mention those deal made the news.

But most importantly, they got cleared for AIM-120 C-8 (or potentially even AIM-120D)

From state department press release.


"The Republic of Türkiye has requested to buy 40 new F-16 aircraft and to modernize 79 existing F-16 aircraft to V-Configuration. The request includes: thirty-two (32) F-16 C Block 70 aircraft; eight (8) F-16 D Block 70 aircraft; forty-eight (48) F110-GE-129D engines (40 installed, 8 spares); one hundred forty-nine (149) Improved Programmable Display Generators (iPDG) (40 installed, 10 spares, 99 for modernization program (79 installed, 20 spares)); one hundred forty-nine (149) AN/APG-83 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Scalable Agile Beam Radars (SABR) (40 installed, 10 spares, 99 for modernization program (79 installed, 20 spares)); one hundred sixty-nine (169) Modular Mission Computers (MMC) 7000AHC (or available mission computer) (40 installed, 10 spares, 119 for modernization program (79 installed, 40 spares)); one hundred fifty nine (159) Embedded Global Positioning System (GPS) Inertial Navigation Systems (INS) (EGI) with Selective Availability Anti-Spoofing Module (SAASM) or M-Code capability and Precise Positioning Service (PPS) (40 installed, 8 spares, 111 for modernization program (79 installed, 32 spares)); one hundred sixty-eight (168) Integrated Viper Electronic Warfare Suite (IVEWS) or equivalent Electronic Warfare (EW) systems (40 installed, 10 spares, 118 for modernization program (79 installed, 39 spares)); eight hundred fifty-eight (858) LAU-129 guided missile launchers; forty-four (44) M61 Vulcan cannons (40 installed, 4 spares); sixteen (16) AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods (ATP); one hundred fifty-one (151) Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Joint Tactical Radio Systems (MIDS-JTRS) (40 installed and 4 ground terminals, 8 spares, and 99 for modernization program (79 installed and 4 ground terminals, 16 spares)); nine hundred fifty-two (952) Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) AIM-120C-8 or equivalent missiles; ninety six (96) AMRAAM guidance sections; eight hundred sixty-four (864) GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bombs Increment 1 (SDB-1); two (2) GBU-39(T-1)/B SDB-1 guided test vehicles; two (2) GBU-39(T-1)/B SDB-1 practice bombs; ninety-six (96) AGM-88B High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles (HARM); ninety-six (96) AGM-88E Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missiles (AARGM); ten (10) AARGM Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM); eleven (11) AARGM control sections; twelve (12) AARGM guidance sections; four hundred one (401) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder missiles; twelve (12) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder Captive Air Training Missiles (CATMs); forty (40) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder tactical guidance units; twelve (12) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder CATM guidance units; twelve (12) MK82 Inert Filled general purpose bombs; eight hundred fifty (850) Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) KMU-556 tail kits for GBU-31; two hundred (200) JDAM KMU-557 tail kits for GBU-31v3; three hundred eighty-four (384) JDAM KMU-559 tail kits for GBU-32; three (3) JDAM KMU-572 tail kits for GBU-38 or Laser JDAM GBU-54; one thousand fifty (1,050) FMU-152 fuzes. Also included are AMRAAM CATMs; AIM-9X Sidewinder training missiles and Active Optical Target Detectors (AOTD); HARM control sections, rocket motors, and warhead spares; FMU-139 Joint Programmable Fuzes; DSU-38 Laser Guidance Sets for GBU-54; missile containers; AN/ARC-238 radios; AN/APX-127 or equivalent Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Combined Interrogator Transponders (CIT) with mode 5; Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS) II or Scorpion Hybrid Optical-based Inertial Tracker (HObIT) helmet mounted displays; Infrared Search and Track (IRST) pods; AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Systems (CMDS); KY-58 and KIV-78 cryptographic devices; Simple Key Loaders (SKLs); additional secure communications, precision navigation, and cryptographic equipment; Flight Mission Planning Systems (FMPS); Remote Operated Video Enhanced Receivers (ROVER) 6i/6Sis; Tactical Network ROVER kits, and STINGER Multi Bi-Directional (MBI) antennas; SNIPER pod pylons; impulse cartridges, chaff, flares, and ammunition; bomb components and Common Munitions Built-in-Test Reprogramming Equipment (CMBRE); Rackmount Improved Avionics Intermediate Shop (RIAIS); Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PAD); Triple Missile Launcher Adapters (TMLA); aircraft, avionics, and weapons integration, test support, and equipment; major modernization upgrade kits for F-16 Block 40 and Block 50+ aircraft and Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) modifications; aircraft and engine repair and refurbishment after maintenance; engine and aircraft spare and repair parts, consumables, and accessories and repair and return support; aircraft, engine, ground, and pilot support equipment; Classified/Unclassified Computer Program Identification Number (CPIN) systems; electronic warfare database support; pylons, launcher adaptors, weapon interfaces, bomb and ejection racks, conformal fuel tanks, and travel pods; precision measurement equipment laboratory and calibration support; Classified/Unclassified software and software support; Classified/Unclassified publications, manuals, and technical documentation; maps and mapping data; facilities and construction support; simulators and training devices; personnel training and training equipment; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services, studies and surveys; and other related elements of logistical and program support."

U.S. to Sell F-16 to Turkiye total cost is $23.0 Billion | TURDEF

The State Department approved a possible FMS to Turkiye of F-16 Acquisition and Modernisation and related equipment for an estimated cost of $23.0 billion.

turdef.com

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[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Ohh yeah this is open public domain damn like how do u even know this ..
Such things are kept very very classified okay if you don't trust indian sea skeeming numbers okay but you can accept Russia p800's number rosoboran has officially claimed it does sea skeeming at 5m. .
Brahmos can & does skeeming at 3-4metres altitude..
You're claims are laughable. looks like inbreeding has peaked there..

You're talking about terminal phase not cruising phase and you're trolling without any backup or source of your claim

 

[Nilgiri]

No more offtopic chat/flaming about war between India vs NATO and Turkiye etc.

Come on guys....stick precisely to the topic without the silly escalations.