Gun violence & Hate crime in the United States - Sticky

[AZ_HighCountry]

Yes School Shootings and Mass Shootings is a social problem in USA. So is Alcoholism as well.

Yes USA has a gun problem.

It is not a gun problem. My own guns are committing no crimes.

Look into the root cause a bit behind the school shootings. There are common themes to them.

We also have a drug problem here. I'll bet Canada does as well.

 

[Feroze]

It is not a gun problem. My own guns are committing no crimes.

Look into the root cause a bit behind the school shootings. There are common themes to them.

We also have a drug problem here. I'll bet Canada does as well.

Canada does not have a gun problem like USA does.

What about mass shootings in USA? Too much mass shootings in USA.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Canada does not have a gun problem like USA does.

What about mass shootings in USA? Too much mass shootings in USA.

Can you point out where I am disagreeing?

I am suggesting you look into the root causes for these mass shootings. The easy access to firearms is a strawman argument.

In the case of the school shootings, kids with mental issues have been the culprits. Add in drugs like Ritalin, and you are asking for trouble.

A friend of mine in New Zealand has a child with behavioral issues. He elected to part with his own firearms out of concern what might happen if the child were to access them.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Good guy with a gun:

Harrowing Tampa Citibank shooting video shows moment shirtless slob gunman was taken out by hero Marine vet

A Marine veteran security guard fatally shot a gunman at Tampa’s Citibank campus after the attacker killed a woman.

nypost.com

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Wanted to post a follow-up to the school shooting that occurred almost a month ago in Bend, OR:

Hero girl dad who killed Oregon school shooter reveals savage final words he told teen gunman

The father of two said in a new interview that, after he’d shot the teen murderer in a classroom at Bend’s Silver Rail Elementary School, the gunman was still alive and trying to speak.

nypost.com

Absolute hero.

@RescueRanger

 

[RescueRanger]

Wanted to post a follow-up to the school shooting that occurred almost a month ago in Bend, OR:

Hero girl dad who killed Oregon school shooter reveals savage final words he told teen gunman

The father of two said in a new interview that, after he’d shot the teen murderer in a classroom at Bend’s Silver Rail Elementary School, the gunman was still alive and trying to speak.

nypost.com

Absolute hero.

@RescueRanger

Wonder what the anti "gun" bandwagon would say in response this? True first responders or "zero responders" (don't like the term but is referred to people who activate emergency services or render aid till professionals arrive) are always members of the community, this man helped prevent a larger massacre and just goes to show, firearms aren't evil, the people who misuse them are.

 

[lightning f57]

Wonder what the anti "gun" bandwagon would say in response this? True first responders or "zero responders" (don't like the term but is referred to people who activate emergency services or render aid till professionals arrive) are always members of the community, this man helped prevent a larger massacre and just goes to show, firearms aren't evil, the people who misuse them are.

The article mentions the killer attended the school, special education class. Could point to mental health issues as seems no clear motive. I personally prefer ban on all guns, only police to be armed.

 

[RescueRanger]

mental health

only police to be armed.

Dumb. Average police response time is between 5 and 15 mins... A lot of people can be killed in that time.

This nonsense catch all "mental health" card doesn't fly with me.

 

[lightning f57]

Dumb. Average police response time is between 5 and 15 mins... A lot of people can be killed in that time.

This nonsense catch all "mental health" card doesn't fly with me.

If the guns are taken away you dont get gun crime. Gun crime in the UK is super rare for this reason.

On the mental health thing, you have to be gone in the head to do something like that.

 

[RescueRanger]

If the guns are taken away you dont get gun crime. Gun crime in the UK is super rare for this reason.

On the mental health thing, you have to be gone in the head to do something like that.

Ahahaha,why even bring up the UK in a thread about the US?

No gun crime in the UK? But plenty of stabbings right?



Again, i don't subscribe to the school of thought that "guns are bad" and that banging gun ownership will prevent gun crime.

The UK is proof of this.

 

[lightning f57]

Ahahaha,why even bring up the UK in a thread about the US?

No gun crime in the UK? But plenty of stabbings right?
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Again, i don't subscribe to the school of thought that "guns are bad" and that banging gun ownership will prevent gun crime.

The UK is proof of this.

I brought up the UK as an example, we have knife crime and all sorts of other crime but that dont lead to disproportionate deaths like you get with guns in the US. The US dont have simple guns like a revolver, there are semi automatics and hand guns that can unleash lots of bullets in seconds. Banning those reduces risk of these near daily occurrence mass shooting events.

 

[RescueRanger]

I brought up the UK as an example, we have knife crime and all sorts of other crime but that dont lead to disproportionate deaths like you get with guns in the US. The US dont have simple guns like a revolver, there are semi automatics and hand guns that can unleash lots of bullets in seconds. Banning those reduces risk of these near daily occurrence mass shooting events.

Europe also has sports arms so does UK. Criminals in the UK are able to obtain firearms quite easily despite what you read in the papers. Air arms like Brocock and Dan Wessson replicas can be repurposed to fire live ammo so can Blank firers.

Comparing the UK to the US is totally wrong, look at the size difference, look at the rates of crime, add the fact that you can expect every criminal or home invasion to carry a firearm...

The right to carry weapons is enshrined in the US constitution... It is a fundamental civil right for Americans.

Again, comparing legal firearm ownership with violent crimes where firearms are used is wrong.

If that is the case, why not ban knives entirely in the UK since stabbings are a daily occurrence there? Because such a ban would be impractical, unnecessarily putative and criminals would still be able to obtain knives regardless.