Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Starlord]

So if Syria joins, and then Israel bomb Syria which they have been doing for sometime, will Turkiye, KSA and Pakistan go to full fledged War with Israel ? or they will be like, nah its Syrian's internal problem? we have seen that with Houthis and it makes sense as Houthis are not some non Muslim Country that attack KSA, but Israel is. I think MDA will be mocked even more if Syria joined, wait for another 5-7 years then it would make sense.

 

[GoatsMilk]

So if Syria joins, and then Israel bomb Syria which they have been doing for sometime, will Turkiye, KSA and Pakistan go to full fledged War with Israel ? or they will be like, nah its Syrian's internal problem? we have seen that with Houthis and it makes sense as Houthis are not some non Muslim Country that attack KSA, but Israel is. I think MDA will be mocked even more if Syria joined, wait for another 5-7 years then it would make sense.

There is no rush only a few years ago the americans, the russians, the isrealis, the english and french were conducting bombing campaigns across syria. Meanwhile syria was split into multiple competing factions backed by various nefarious players. Today its one nation under one leadership and all that remains are the isrealis lashing out. It may take another 10 years, but what's the rush. Muslims already endured a few hundred years of great turmoil, Syria will survive another 10 years of Israeli aggression.

 

[mythbuster]

So if Syria joins, and then Israel bomb Syria which they have been doing for sometime, will Turkiye, KSA and Pakistan go to full fledged War with Israel ? or they will be like, nah its Syrian's internal problem? we have seen that with Houthis and it makes sense as Houthis are not some non Muslim Country that attack KSA, but Israel is. I think MDA will be mocked even more if Syria joined, wait for another 5-7 years then it would make sense.

Turkey wants to share the burden of running and defending Syria , not sure Saudi Arabia and Pakistan will agree at this stage.... Syria is expressing her desire to join and desire doesn't mean acceptance.

 

[Starlord]

There is no rush only a few years ago the americans, the russians, the isrealis, the english and french were conducting bombing campaigns across syria. Meanwhile syria was split into multiple competing factions backed by various nefarious players. Today its one nation under one leadership and all that remains are the isrealis lashing out. It may take another 10 years, but what's the rush. Muslims already endured a few hundred years of great turmoil, Syria will survive another 10 years of Israeli aggression.

I agree, a united Syria is needed and Jolani may not be the best leader but it is what it is, but i don't see the reason to hasten Syrian admission to MDA when all 3 countries know that if Israel decided to bomb Syria no one will attack Israel because papa America will be there. So what will happen that Israel out of their spite they will bomb Syria to undermine MDA if Syria actually join, and Israel will not have to answer anyone because Jolani is ex-AQ, and world hasn't fully accepted the new more Sunni leanned Govt.

 

[Starlord]

Turkey wants to share the burden of running and defending Syria , not sure Saudi Arabia and Pakistan will agree at this stage.... Syria is expressing her desire to join and desire doesn't mean acceptance.

Turkiye is making a mistake, and i think its a bad decision, Syria needs time/investment and most important they need to re-establish their image in front of the world, right now Israel can bomb any location under the guise of "Terrorists", heck they even tried to take out Jolani not long ago when they bombed Syrian presidential palace.

 

[KingQamaR]

You are actually supporting Syrian case for joining Mecca Defense Alliance.
Any country that joins the alliance brings its assets and liabilities with it on to the table. Syria potentially will have no direct conflict with any of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan. Also, Israel is a common enemy for all four states.
TBH, Syria has better chance, ever better than that of Egypt, of joining the alliance.

Another aspect for an aspiring state is the approval from the current member countries, especially the Turkish constitutional requirements. Turkish parliament has to approval any foreign deployments of Turkish armed forces and military assets. Syria is probably the most likely state to get such as approval with relative ease.

Not exactly that easy my friend lol.. there are extremely huge financial commitments to help convert the out dated Syrian military to use and support it with lots of approved new equipment. And Training.

Syrian Military have still Soviet era equipment in service, most of its none runner or lack of spares I don't thing old MIG's and T-72/ T - 55s are exactly what the Pact wants. .


One of the requirements for any country to join the Mecca Pack we should have a clause that says there military interoperability. Meaning new candidates must have some of their military must be interoperable with Mecca Pact. weapons and well as tactics be able to operate with Mecca Pack.

 

[R2D2]

Not exactly that easy my friend lol.. there are extremely huge financial commitments to help convert the out dated Syrian military to use and support it with lots of approved new equipment. And Training.

Syrian Military have still Soviet era equipment in service, most of its none runner or lack of spares I don't thing old MIG's and T-72/ T - 55s are exactly what the Pact wants. .


One of the requirements for any country to join the Mecca Pack we should have a clause that says there military interoperability. Meaning new candidates must have some of their military must be interoperable with Mecca Pact. weapons and well as tactics be able to operate with Mecca Pack.

What they can't provide in weapons, they can provide in men.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

There is no rush only a few years ago the americans, the russians, the isrealis, the english and french were conducting bombing campaigns across syria. Meanwhile syria was split into multiple competing factions backed by various nefarious players. Today its one nation under one leadership and all that remains are the isrealis lashing out. It may take another 10 years, but what's the rush. Muslims already endured a few hundred years of great turmoil, Syria will survive another 10 years of Israeli aggression.

Here is the issue...
Zion got a head start! Ones playing catch-up cannot dare stall. Managing the stability of Syria cannot be put on the back burner. That allows the proxies to create a niche in their environs... parallel structures that cannot be undone by simply flipping a switch.
The Kurd question is as much internal to Turkiye as it is to Syria. The ethnic nationalism, extremism of any shade, finding new common causes or political/economic niches are manipulation levers wielded by the ones with an agenda.

Solution, start fortifying the home base without delay. Zionist agenda used to be hidden, it was hush hush and ones who even hinted at it were made outcasts. Now, however they say so themselves... the veil has lifted and though their pundits try to spin... they're behind the curve unable to redirect. So, the loud mouths speak it out loud... Turkish defense starts from zion itself.

 

[gamaji]

Not exactly that easy my friend lol.. there are extremely huge financial commitments to help convert the out dated Syrian military to use and support it with lots of approved new equipment. And Training.

Syrian Military have still Soviet era equipment in service, most of its none runner or lack of spares I don't thing old MIG's and T-72/ T - 55s are exactly what the Pact wants. .


One of the requirements for any country to join the Mecca Pack we should have a clause that says there military interoperability. Meaning new candidates must have some of their military must be interoperable with Mecca Pact. weapons and well as tactics be able to operate with Mecca Pack.

Yes, I agree with you. Interoperability is a crucial aspect to be factored into the whole calculation. However, I was talking about just the alignment of strategic interests of Syria with those of the member states of the alliance.
BTW, it may relatively be easier for the Syrian military to switch over to newer equipment/systems because it is effectively building up from the scratch. It's not really a 'military' in a sense. It's rather a military in the making.

 

[Eşbah]

The Saudis are ruining the whole Yemen case. I fear the House of Saud will blame the Pakistanis to save face.

 

[battalion25]

The Saudis are ruining the whole Yemen case. I fear the House of Saud will blame the Pakistanis to save face.

That map is worthless then a toilet paper... It is not correct and far from it.. It is just a irrelevant houthi drawings for kids.

All the houthi supporting maps are fake and this is a widely agreed upon fact.

 

[hyperman]

The Saudis are ruining the whole Yemen case. I fear the House of Saud will blame the Pakistanis to save face.

They are just using random tribal fighters in Yemen and mercenaries, they don't use their own soldiers and the Air Force is not able to make up the difference.

Whereas the Houthis are probably the strongest nonstate actor in the world, and they use combined arms and Guided ballistic missiles and mechanized warfare along with Ambush air defense. The geography also favors them.

Plus apparently there is rivalry between UAE backed groups and Saudi backed groups. There have been allegations of the UAE/UAE backed groups giving intelligence to Houthis against the Saudi forces.

This whole thing is a quagmire for Saudi. They need to accept ground realities and come to a diplomatic negotiated peace or atleast a ceasefire with the Houthis. They are destroying themselves in a battle of attrition with the current conflict. A completely avoidable fight if it wasn't for the hubris and short term thinking of some of the people involved.

 

[battalion25]

They are just using random tribal fighters in Yemen and mercenaries, they don't use their own soldiers and the Air Force is not able to make up the difference.

Whereas the Houthis are probably the strongest nonstate actor in the world, and they use combined arms and Guided ballistic missiles and mechanized warfare along with Ambush air defense. The geography also favors them.

Plus apparently there is rivalry between UAE backed groups and Saudi backed groups. There have been allegations of the UAE/UAE backed groups giving intelligence to Houthis against the Saudi forces.

This whole thing is a quagmire for Saudi. They need to accept ground realities and come to a diplomatic negotiated peace or atleast a ceasefire with the Houthis. They are destroying themselves in a battle of attrition with the current conflict. A completely avoidable fight if it wasn't for the hubris and short term thinking of some of the people involved.

ceasefore is out of the picture as the houthis won´t hold for to long.

of the two fighting elements in the yemen civil war the houthis are the weaker of the 2 fighting forces and there is no way the winning side will offer ceasefire to the houthis when the houthis are actully losing this conflict and currently on the ropes.

They are actully winning on the ground hence why give the houthis a lifeline it makes absolutely no sense