PAF Conducts successful test of indigenously developed FAAZ BVRAAM

[mythbuster]

In the long run, is a BVR missile attack still effective at medium range?
Can I replace the PL10? Can the JF-17 use it on its wingtip pylon?

Isn't there any smart filly in your stud farm to answer your queries?

 

[studsmart]

I dont know

In my openion since this type of misdile has not been deployed or used in last 30 years. I my self is very confused of the lethality of this missile. I wonder if it could be mounted to replace pl10 on jf17 or j10 now that will be a very big win.

 

[Cipher212]

Can you actually produce it locally though? India is exporting BRAHMOS and it still requires some Russian "parts". But as long as it is "local"..

Again you are thinking about the wrong things. Let's just assume that Faaz seeker is indigenous and the rest requires parts from China

The whole process is still going to be cheaper and faster than buying AIM-120 and Meteors from the West as complete units.

We don't need it to be 100% indigenous

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Very advanced IR option, gives enemy another headache as compare to radar guided. Also IR always used to be mainly for WVR, MICA and FAAZ have changed that

And also, older Russian R-27 BVR's version had a range similar to FAAZ

 

[Michael]

I wonder if it could be mounted to replace pl10 on jf17 or j10 now that will be a very big win.

It cannot completely replace the PL-10.

There are many fundamental differences in the design logic and technical orientation between WVR (within-visual-range) and BVR (beyond-visual-range) missiles.

But......

According to information found on Chinese-language websites, the PL-15 missile can, within a certain range, serve as a substitute for the PL-10 missile.
More precisely, the PL-10 is classified as a short-to-medium-range air-to-air missile, while the PL-15 is a medium-to-long-range air-to-air missile. Their engagement envelopes overlap; within this overlapping range, the PL-15 can replace the PL-10. ------ Simply put, just make sure the target doesn’t get too close to you.

The FAAZ series air-to-air missiles have a similar tactical role to China's PL-12/15, so this question can be used as a reference.

 

[Ali_Baba]

It cannot completely replace the PL-10.

There are many fundamental differences in the design logic and technical orientation between WVR (within-visual-range) and BVR (beyond-visual-range) missiles.

But......

According to information found on Chinese-language websites, the PL-15 missile can, within a certain range, serve as a substitute for the PL-10 missile.
More precisely, the PL-10 is classified as a short-to-medium-range air-to-air missile, while the PL-15 is a medium-to-long-range air-to-air missile. Their engagement envelopes overlap; within this overlapping range, the PL-15 can replace the PL-10. ------ Simply put, just make sure the target doesn’t get too close to you.

The FAAZ series air-to-air missiles have a similar tactical role to China's PL-12/15, so this question can be used as a reference.

What will be interesting if China will allow for the integration of FAAZ on the J-35AE when PAF gets that platform, as well as the J10CE.

 

[Toxic]

A significant reason of having IIR variant is to target stealth aircraft from what is learnt from Iran damaging F-35.

The heat seeker also doesn't activate enemy aircraft's RWR or EW suite.

No it isn't, FAAZ IR was revealed years before the Iran war

 

[Michael]

What will be interesting if China will allow for the integration of FAAZ on the J-35AE when PAF gets that platform, as well as the J10CE.

The possibility is extremely low.

I cannot elaborate further; doing so would only lead many to attack me, labeling me as "anti-Pakistan."

 

[Ali_Baba]

The possibility is extremely low.

I cannot elaborate further; doing so would only lead many to attack me, labeling me as "anti-Pakistan."

This is the reason why I think PAF is more keen on the KAAN project than the J-35AE. PAF wants to incorporate its own weapons that meet its needs better onto its platforms.

PAF is working with suppliers to build local munitions for all categories in Pakistan and of course it will need them to be deployable on its platforms.

The JF17 allows for that, and KAAN will also allow for that given the nature of the relationship with Türkiye. I do think the PAF if does purchase the J-35AE, that it will view the J-35AE as a stop gap to offset anything that India buys until KAAN is up and running with a local engine. The KAAN will be long term the strategic choice for the PAF. The J10CE was a stopgap to offset the rafale at just 20 units and I suspect J-35AE procurement will suffer the same fate for the reasons I have indicated.

 

[Michael]

This is the reason why I think PAF is more keen on the KAAN project than the J-35AE. PAF wants to incorporate its own weapons that meet its needs better onto its platforms.

PAF is working with suppliers to build local munitions for all categories in Pakistan and of course it will need them to be deployable on its platforms.

The JF17 allows for that, and KAAN will also allow for that given the nature of the relationship with Türkiye. I do think the PAF if does purchase the J-35AE, that it will view the J-35AE as a stop gap to offset anything that India buys until KAAN is up and running with a local engine. The KAAN will be long term the strategic choice for the PAF. The J10CE was a stopgap to offset the rafale at just 20 units and I suspect J-35AE procurement will suffer the same fate for the reasons I have indicated.

As long as you're happy!

These issues aren’t suitable for in-depth discussion, and besides, they stray far from the topic at hand.

 

[Ali_Baba]

As long as you're happy!

These issues aren’t suitable for in-depth discussion, and besides, they stray far from the topic at hand.

I am not sure it about being happy or not. The threads for the PAF are quite clear to see in terms of what they are looking to achieve. As the Ukraine war, and now the Iran war has proved, having hte ability to build local muntions is critical and therefore having platforms you can deploy them on is also critically important.

The FAAZ and its deployment on current and future platforms for the PAF is on topic for this thread as well.