Iranian Chill Thread

HamidAgha said:
No, we should definitely have better trained troops and have a similar focus of strength on the eestern border as we do on the western border. History has taught us that we face threats on both directions and they usually happen at the same time.

Having a human shield alone will not solve the problem though, if you want to see fewer deaths and skirmishes. There has to also be some sort of focus on the source of the issue, and if that means all we can do is apportion some responsibility on Pakistan to sort their side out then that should be part of the strategy.
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since when are security forces 'human shields'

yes just blame Pakistan instead of doing anything ourselves to control our border, great idea
 
Persian Gulf said:
since when are security forces 'human shields'

yes just blame Pakistan instead of doing anything ourselves to control our border, great idea
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Because when the source is left unchecked, then no matter how many people you send, they will eventually get killed. Im not saying we shouldn't be doing this, but to keep control you would need there to be a cessation of skirmishes and deaths.

I never said "just" blame Pakistan, but I also don't think we should completely absolve them of responsibility when the attacks are usually coming from their side of the border and they are doing nothing to deal with them. We just hear empty promises diplomatically.
 
HamidAgha said:
If these terrorists are based in Iran, then no we can't blame Pakistan, but if they are coming from the Pakistani side, with weapons and training being done there, then why shouldn't we put some responsibility on Pakistan? Putting more people there would mean never ending deaths and skirmishes since the source of the issue is not being dealt with. Now building a wall may be an option.
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Iran always has a responsibility for their own security. For nothing less than not being forced to take action. Same issue with the recent losses at the Iranian consulate in Damascus.

Forcing a response is the very pith of reactivity. You always want to have the freedom to act as an option. You NEVER want to be forced to react. This is one of the important tenants of game theory.
 
jauk said:
Iran always has a responsibility for their own security. For nothing less than not being forced to take action. Same issue with the recent losses at the Iranian consulate in Damascus.

Forcing a response is the very pith of reactivity. You always want to have the freedom to act as an option. You NEVER want to be forced to react. This is one of the important tenants of game theory.
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There is only so much Iran can do. Iran is responsible for its side of the border, however those that come from across the Pakistan border are the responsibility of Pakistan. How can Iran be 100% responsible for terrorists being trained and armed in Pakistan?!

How would Iran act freely in this situation? Strike positions in Pakistan like last time which almost lead to a war?
 
HamidAgha said:
There is only so much Iran can do. Iran is responsible for its side of the border, however those that come from across the Pakistan border are the responsibility of Pakistan. How can Iran be 100% responsible for terrorists being trained and armed in Pakistan?!

How would Iran act freely in this situation? Strike positions in Pakistan like last time which almost lead to a war?
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Correct. “There’s only so much Iran can do.”

It’s not enough.

If Iran is forced to react it’s already at a disadvantage and in a losing position.

Again, Iran MUST prioritize on security. Any action beyond this is counterproductive.

Everyone: get it out of your heads that Iran must ‘react’. Successful security first. Action next. Retaliation is the very very last thing to consider. These are simple basics. Talking about retaliation without precedent security and action is meaningless.

I think I said the same thing in 5 different ways.
 
jauk said:
Correct. “There’s only so much Iran can do.”

It’s not enough.

If Iran is forced to react it’s already at a disadvantage and in a losing position.

Again, Iran MUST prioritize on security. Any action beyond this is counterproductive.

Everyone: get it out of your heads that Iran must ‘react’. Successful security first. Action next. Retaliation is the very very last thing to consider. These are simple basics. Talking about retaliation without precedent security and action is meaningless.

I think I said the same thing in 5 different ways.
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Can you please give practical examples in relation to Sistan Balochistan security issue, as all I'm hearing is just theory? Nobody is arguing security is not an issue, and everything you do in life is a reaction to some degree. Russia had to react to Ukraine, US had to react to terrorism or China had to react to Taiwan etc. Putting more people on the porous and unforgiving eastern border won't stop terrorists from Pakistan side to infiltrate our side. That's why Iran needs to get Pakistan to be more proactive as well.
 

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A question with what?
 
mangekyo said:
What do you guys think of this?

www.iranintl.com

Media In Tehran Accuse Russia, Syria Of Betraying IRGC

Media and citizens in Iran have been discussing the potential involvement of Russia and Syria in providing intelligence to Israel regarding the locations of IRGC officers prior to a precision strike last week.
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they were all at the Iranian Embassy in Damascus only 50km from Israel, doesn't seem to me like they were trying very hard to hide

Israel can monitor the embassy easily with spies, no need for Syrian or Russian involvement. why do we always have to blame someone else for our own security failures
 
HamidAgha said:
Can you please give practical examples in relation to Sistan Balochistan security issue, as all I'm hearing is just theory? Nobody is arguing security is not an issue, and everything you do in life is a reaction to some degree. Russia had to react to Ukraine, US had to react to terrorism or China had to react to Taiwan etc. Putting more people on the porous and unforgiving eastern border won't stop terrorists from Pakistan side to infiltrate our side. That's why Iran needs to get Pakistan to be more proactive as well.
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No I can’t. My charge stands for none other than simple logic. Best ask that question from security tacticians.

You may also consider confirming your thoughts about ‘life’’ with ‘life’ experts as well.

From here on, whomever utters the word ‘revenge’ will be delivered a virtual slap in the face straight from my book of bitch slappings.

‘Revenge’—my foot.
 
jauk said:
No I can’t. My charge stands for none other than simple logic. Best ask that question from security tacticians.

From here on whomever utters the word ‘revenge’ will be delivered a virtual slap in the face straight from my book of bitch slappings..
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Seems you don't really have a clue about what you're talking about. So I think that advice goes more to you as it does me.

Make sure the slap doesn't miss and swing back around hitting you in the face. Also nobody here mentioned the words response or revenge, so I don't know what you're on about.
 
HamidAgha said:
Seems you don't really have a clue about what you're talking about. So I think that advice goes more to you as it does me.

Make sure the slap doesn't miss and swing back around hitting you in the face. Also nobody here mentioned the words response or revenge, so I don't know what you're on about.
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Seems you’ve missed 45 years of revolution where ‘revenge’ (‘intigham’) is part and parcel of official language.

Please come back when you’ve completed your cursory studies.

‘Intigham’ my foot.
 
jauk said:
Seems you’ve missed 45 years of revolution where ‘revenge’ (‘intigham’) is part and parcel of official language.

‘Intigham’ my foot.
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I'm neither a government official nor am I the supreme leader. Kindly take your threats to the appropriate government official.

Intigham was against the Shah and America, which by in large they did in so much as taking back control from them.

Still don't know what this has to do with what me and PG were talking about...
 
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