Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

DDG-80 said:
Now with the recent events, Pakistanis now know that Shaheen 3 won't do anything even if fired in 100s. Pakistani’s are literally crying in corner looking at interception rates against MRBM and cruise missile classes. Even so called "second strike" ability of Pakistan depends on cruise missiles. Plus think about the disproportionate response you guys will receive from the other end and how you'll protect your major population centres from this onslaught since you guys don't have a functional BMD system yet. BMD isn't fancy, it's a necessity, saves lives.
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You do realise the same applies even more to your beloved Brahmos, as Israel intercepted every single cruise missile while multiple ballistic missiles made impact?

India does not have a system half as capable as Arrow-3 or SM-3 or ESSM. Indian BMD coverage is only limited to Delhi and Mumbai. Even if your magical vedic defence system has a 100% hit rate, the radiation from the rest of India being blasted to the jurassic era will cause any life in Mumbai or Delhi to die an excruciatingly slow and painful cancerous death.
 
arjunk said:
India does not have a system half as capable as Arrow-3 or SM-3 or ESSM.
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Lol, Isrealis have not shown ASAT.... we have shown ASAT. We have more interceptor. Btw. You need to look at the Pakistani report on the issue...
 
Falcon26 said:
There’s almost no serious research on missiles in Pakistan that’s taking place. India by contrast through both its missile establishments and ISRO carry out rocket engine design breakthroughs on regular basis.

Sorry to say, but Pakistan is not in the same league.
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Indian rockets are better, but their warheads are inferior.

Rocket tech isn't a priority as Pakistan can already strike all of India, and we have bigger priorities than sending telescopes to space to watch celestial objects we will never reach for centuries.
 
Falcon26 said:
No, I am not taking the piss. I have been following Pakistan’s nuclear and missile program since high school. I am almost 40 now. Have read many great Pakistani thinkers from Mansoor Ahmed, Feroz Khan etc. So many assessment are logical. You can disagree with them but they are not misinformed.

The Ghauri missiles trace their ancestry to Nodongs of North Korea which ultimately are derived from the Soviet Scuds. The same with the Iranian liquid fueled missiles. In fact, the Ghauri & Shahab series are close cousins.

Pakistan’s Shaheen missiles are derived from the Chinese M-11 aka Dong-Feng 11. A similar case can be made for the Iranian solid fueled missiles.

Both countries use Chinese and North Korean missiles with local modifications.

There’s almost no serious research on missiles in Pakistan that’s taking place. India by contrast through both its missile establishments and ISRO carry out rocket engine design breakthroughs on regular basis.

Sorry to say, but Pakistan is not in the same league.
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American missile tech is based on Nazi V-series missiles, what does it imply?

We are first to introduce MIRV way before India, infact India is a new kid on the block in this tech.
Ghauri is more or less in a semi-decommisioned state, will not form the head of spear.

Pakistan has declared first strike policy, which mean we will wipe out the enemy nation ability to fight us to the extent that they will not be able to strike back.

You clearly have no clue.
 
DDG-80 said:
Lol, Isrealis have not shown ASAT.... we have shown ASAT. We have more interceptor. Btw. You need to look at the Pakistani report on the issue...
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Ok, your magical vedik intercepter is superior to the US and Israel's combined prowess. Still,
arjunk said:
Even if your magical vedic defence system has a 100% hit rate, the radiation from the rest of India being blasted to the jurassic era will cause any life in Mumbai or Delhi to die an excruciatingly slow and painful cancerous deat
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Taimoor said:
American missile tech is based on Nazi V-series missiles, what does it imply?

We are first to introduce MIRV way before India, infact India is a new kid on the block in this tech.
Ghauri is more or less in a semi-decommisioned state, will not form the head of spear.

Pakistan has declared first strike policy, which mean we will wipe out the enemy nation ability to fight us to the extent that they will not be able to strike back.

You clearly have no clue.
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It's good to be patriotic but you should also be objective in your analysis. His arguments are backed by logic and facts and hold true.

First strike or not, India has second strike capability to retaliate and has layered AD to also defend in some capacity.

Being the first to get MIRVs is good but again it's a symbolic achievement, speaks nothing on the dynamic currently.

India has active serious research going on with huge funding. You don't. You rely *heavily* on foreign support unfortunately.
 
Taimoor said:
A state which is nuclear power since early 1980s, a declared nuclear power since 1998, which relies on its missile force for its nuclear deterrence (land, air and sea), will have a lesser missile tech then Iran? We have operations MIRVs as we speak. We tested atmospheric detonation of warhead (ofcourse without nuke) of shaheen missile way back in Musharraf time, guy left the office in 2007, died last year. so on and so forth......

Either you are taking piss or just misinformed.
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There is no logic in mentioning nuclear tech in a comparison between missile technology.

Iran has poured a significant amount of time and resources into its missile programs because it forms the backbone of its deterrence - in essence you can consider it their symbolic nuclear weapons.

Pakistani and Iranian missiles are somewhat similar and it's possible that Iran is actually ahead given their HGV claim and visible MaRV warheads
 
Taimoor said:
American missile tech is based on Nazi V-series missiles, what does it imply?

We are first to introduce MIRV way before India, infact India is a new kid on the block in this tech.
Ghauri is more or less in a semi-decommisioned state, will not form the head of spear.

Pakistan has declared first strike policy, which mean we will wipe out the enemy nation ability to fight us to the extent that they will not be able to strike back.

You clearly have no clue.
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You can’t compare American technology to Pakistan. So no point bringing out this point.

I really don’t know how to say this without sounding like a hater, but hopefully members will know my history and that I am far from being a Pakistan hater, but there’s no missile research going on in Pakistan so this claim of introducing A or B is a moot point. Pakistan is importing while India is innovating. This is the sad reality. If the Chinese or North Korean pipeline stop, missile development in Pakistan will come to a screeching halt. This is the sad reality.
 
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RationalPakistani said:
It's good to be patriotic but you should also be objective in your analysis. His arguments are backed by logic and facts and hold true.

First strike or not, India has second strike capability to retaliate and has layered AD to also defend in some capacity.

Being the first to get MIRVs is good but again it's a symbolic achievement, speaks nothing on the dynamic currently.

India has active serious research going on with huge funding. You don't. You rely *heavily* on foreign support unfortunately.
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What is the logic? I am failing to see any!

Which Indian second strike capability you are taking about? Some missiles fired from puntoons? Pakistan on the other hand tested Babur 3 from its sub.

Being the first mean that you are already ahead of the game, and if you are paying attention, Pakistan unveiled fully operation Ababeel MIRV during this year 23rd March parade.

Rest are just rants.
 
I have a feeling we have a few Indians larping as Pakistanis

My response to them over the last few years has always been the same

Remember the Su30 raptor of the east
Or the mighty IAF, or Indian EW

Now do you remember In 2019 when it all fell apart, Pakistan blinded the IAF, shot down a Indian jet and in panic india shot down its own helicopter

The point I'm trying to make is Indians spout a lot of bullshit but when it came to the practice they failed miserably


Pakistan has a varied missile force, with new developments for Fatah I, 2, 3 and 4 to strike AD targets
A now deployable MIRV with 3-8 warheads depending on the warhead size
A possible hypersonic ballistic missile in the works
And a sub based second strike capability

With India being right next door, I think we are well positioned to wipe as much of India off the map as we want
 
Falcon26 said:
there’s no missile research going on in Pakistan so this claim of introducing A or B is a moot point.
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Last time I checked, Pakistan has started a whole new family of Ballistic Missiles.
About Fatah-2 (290km range rocket)
Fatah-2 SSM is actually the same with small difference.

The rocket is guided on the target until hit, being capable of manoeuvring all along the trajectory, which should be quite flat, the rocket.

https://www.edrmagazine.eu/first-public-appearance-for-pakistani-fatah-ii-guided-missile

This is according to GIDS officials.They can't lie.They have to showcase what actually they say.Their audience is international community not some hawae statements for local public consumption.
We can assume that Next Versions of Fatah Series will be also be advanced enough to get job done.
 
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