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[FuturePAF]

Detection is possible but with significant effort.But is it enough?
Engaging F-35 from safe distance _ here is the problem
And we are discussing only one aspect of F-35_ the stealth
F-35's Electronic Warfare and other sensor technologies are also top notch in the world.
And these can further create troubles for the adversaries

US navy have employed some tactics to counter J-20 or Su-57 level stealth Fighters but it will significantly complexify our discussions.
If anyone wants,he can read the article I attached above.

The Ukrainians have used the microphones on cell phones stung up to thousand of trees all along the front and going back miles as a picket detection system. Sure it doesn’t track the drones coming in, but through triangulation it can cue other sensors to try to track the contacts.

In this same way, high quality IRST systems and microphones could be linked together through a network to help que radars where to look. Drones with radars and IRST could also be launched to identify and relay tracking data of unknown bogeys

Not unlike the mobile observers the PAF use employ. 3:40 - 4:20

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[Hack-Hook]

"why not build every radar for lower bands? Because they are less accurate at lower frequencies"
From the article i attached.
Plz care to read the article.There is significant technical discussion and i am sure you will be satisfied and all of your queries will be answered.

let just say when this happened

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the air defense system which was 70+ km away didn't even turned on its RADAR
we have another means beside radar to hit target

3rd Khordad: The RQ-4 downing

Understanding what was achieved This post is about the Iranian 3rd Khordad SAM, a system that should not have been able to do it's first ope...

patarames.blogspot.com

 

[Immortals]

let just say when this happened

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the air defense system which was 70+ km away didn't even turned on its RADAR
we have another means beside radar to hit target

Not true. A passive radar provided targeting.

IRST information was sent to passive radar deeper inside Iran which then relayed more precise sector coordinates to Sayyad missile which then was launched and allowed Sayyad to use its own seeker once it was in same sector as drone.

Global hawk was not illuminated based on IO/EO only.

 

[MS Sandhu]

let just say when this happened

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the air defense system which was 70+ km away didn't even turned on its RADAR
we have another means beside radar to hit target

So you are equating downing an unmanned drone with engaging full-fledged Stealth Fighter like F-35?
Not a fair comparison.

 

[Immortals]

So you are equating downing an unmanned drone with engaging full-fledged Stealth Fighter like F-35?
Not a fair comparison.

That unmanned drone cost $350M and had a classified defense system equipped.

That’s why Iran didn’t illuminate the target so the operator wouldn’t be alerted and activate its defenses.

It was killed via passive radar + IRST

 

[Hack-Hook]

Not true. A passive radar provided targeting.

IRST information was sent to passive radar deeper inside Iran which then relayed more precise sector coordinates to Sayyad missile which then was launched and allowed Sayyad to use its own seeker once it was in same sector as drone.

Global hawk was not illuminated based on IO/EO only.

that radar was this

it didn't do the illumination and was not part of the air defense system, it only provided the approximate range and direction and the angulation and course correction was done with EO/TI. until the missile was over target

3rd Khordad: The RQ-4 downing

Understanding what was achieved This post is about the Iranian 3rd Khordad SAM, a system that should not have been able to do it's first ope...

patarames.blogspot.com

 

[Hack-Hook]

So you are equating downing an unmanned drone with engaging full-fledged Stealth Fighter like F-35?
Not a fair comparison.

the technique can be the same , the vhf radar provide the approximate range and direction Eo/IO provide course correction ,and the rest will be the same

by the way the drone had one of the most advanced E-Warfare and electrical jamming system available to usa

 

[Immortals]

it didn't do the illumination

….

it only provided the approximate range and direction and the angulation

Yeah that’s called passive illumination. If EO/IO could do that it wouldn’t need to contact the national air defense network to get assistance.

EO/IO has limitations

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yeah that’s called passive illumination. If EO/IO could do that it wouldn’t need to contact the national air defense network to get assistance.

EO/IO has limitations

angulation and course correction was not done by the radar that is not passive illumination . the radar only told there is an air craft fairly in that direction and around 90km away. in this case there was no illumination until last seconds when the missile was on top of the drone. i suggest again read the article

 

[MS Sandhu]

the technique can be the same

The Drone Iran shot down was a predecessor of MQ-4C triton and was literally flying at less than 35K ft altitude
A non-stealthy large drone flying at such an altitude was genuinely calling for trouble.

 

[Immortals]

angulation and course correction was not done by the radar that is not passive illumination . the radar only told there is an air craft fairly in that direction and around 90km away. in this case there was no illumination until last seconds when the missile was on top of the drone. i suggest again read the article

I remember reading a technical write up of the Global Hawk shot down. You are completely underestimating the need for the passive radar.

Yes terminal targeting was done by a sector scan via top down attack of Sayyad, but to get the sector it needed to the general coordinates - which it got from the early warning radar and the EO/IO. But it absolutely could not have been done without the early warning radar or else it would have been done using just EO/IO + seeker on Sayyad.

 

[Messerschmitt]

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[jauk]

A thought about Iranian successful strike on Zionia. Caution Zionia is a minion of the real foe—ergo the usage of bottom of the barrel systems in #truthful-promise. The real foe is what Iran has prepared for so by definition the best of the best were never used.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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wonderful

Fattah-1 and Fattah-2 are ready

I wonder what else iran has in the works. maybe Khorramshahr with Fattah HGV ?

 

[Immortals]

wonderful

Fattah-1 and Fattah-2 are ready

I wonder what else iran has in the works. maybe Khorramshahr with Fattah HGV ?

Already told you guys Fattah-2 is in production. It’s not a “new missile”.

If NK has it then Iran has it. With exception being mass produced ICBMs as they don’t provide any additional security with a conventional warhead.

I wonder what else iran has in the works. maybe Khorramshahr with Fattah HGV ?

Already exists just hasn’t been made available. The Fattah-1 & 2 warheads are relatively interchangeable with other missiles.

The next step would be a missile that has a faster ascent into orbit with an HGV that breaks Mach 18+ with a higher payload. If you can reduce time to impact to under 5 mins (ideally 4 mins) then it makes it very hard for systems to keep up and will have to go into full automation mode and fire many interceptors to increase probability of interception which means than the ABM shield will collapse faster.

Also building a 1800-2000KM anti radiation missile like Hormuz was is a good idea, it can chase down the radars and targeting systems of Arrow 3 and THAAD. Rendering the systems useless without their expensive radars.