Indian National Congress orner

[Joe Shearer]

This is an utterly ridiculous series of posts.

 

[vsdoc]

WHAT?

Are we talking at that level here? I actually know relatives of Feroze Gandhi. I am sure you do too. Is this being hinted at? Seriously?

As for taking the Gandhi name for mileage, everyone knows that Gandhi and Ghandy and Gandhi were common names among the Parsis. Russi Baba's boss was Sir Jehangir Ghandy.

Sonia Gandhi's family are known in the north Italian area that she comes from; the family is prominent and exists.

Doc, I'm sorry, but I can't take this seriously. This is too much like Sambit Patra. If anybody talks this language, I shall go and apply for a perma-ban.

I thought you knew. My wife's family is related to them.

Nothing to do with my views. Pure Parsi marriage thing.

And yes, that is the genesis of the Gandhi/Ghandy deliberate misspellings.

Maybe not in the present instance. But it IS from that Shakha playbook.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sharma Ji]

I hope you have nothing to do with the queasy stuff Doc just mentioned.

"I see your tattoos but I'm still letting you off"

thanks, ocifer ji

 

[Joe Shearer]

I thought you knew. My wife's family is related to them.

Nothing to do with my views. Pure Parsi marriage thing.

And yes, that is the genesis of the Gandhi/Ghandy deliberate misspellings.

Maybe not in the present instance. But it IS from that Shakha playbook.

Cheers, Doc

Doc, I also know some (distant) connections, although I dimly remember that you knew them too.
The thing is so cheap and ridiculous that I had no idea that anyone decent would even refer to it as a joke.
The Sanghis have also floated that Motilal Nehru and kotwal in Allahabad story, the Jawaharlal and Mohammed Yunus relationship story, and a hundred others that are bizarre.
Are we supposed to think that anyone here is trying to promote those? Seriously?

 

[Joe Shearer]

"I see your tattoos but I'm still letting you off"

thanks, ocifer ji

Just a Yes or No will do, without the fancy footwork.

 

[vsdoc]

Doc, I also know some (distant) connections, although I dimly remember that you knew them too.
The thing is so cheap and ridiculous that I had no idea that anyone decent would even refer to it as a joke.
The Sanghis have also floated that Motilal Nehru and kotwal in Allahabad story, the Jawaharlal and Mohammed Yunus relationship story, and a hundred others that are bizarre.
Are we supposed to think that anyone here is trying to promote those? Seriously?

Yes.

Come down from your ivory tower please.

Slum it with the plebs for a bit.

Its warm and murky down here.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes.

Come down from your ivory tower please.

Slum it with the plebs for a bit.

Its warm and murky down here.

Cheers, Doc

I am not part of this milieu.

 

[Sharma Ji]

As a kid my mum used to sneak around and play hide and seek around chacha's desk

Granps but was a humble chaprasi

 

[Joe Shearer]

As a kid my mum used to sneak around and play hide and seek around chacha's desk

Granps but was a humble chaprasi

Sharma Ji:
With every post, with every single post, you are making me wonder if you have anything to contribute to this thread.
This will not end well.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Sharma Ji:
With every post, with every single post, you are making me wonder if you have anything to contribute to this thread.
This will not end well.

fine, I do hope you'll find it in your heart to forgive me, it is/was the last day of the Gregorian calendar year, wasn't it ?

hows about raising one (or a couple) to new beginnings and the like ?

 

[Vox Non Dei]

I was such a naive idealist pilgrim.

I did not even know that you cannot become a full member of the RSS proper (not their various "wings") if you are not a born Hindu.

I was in a flight with two thet Puneri bamman sanghis when I learned that.

@VersusChristi @Guru Dutt (tagging guys with known Sangh family affiliation)

Cheers, Doc

heh.

"Hinduism" in most of its forms is not really a religion that is "open" in that way. It is very inward looking. It never had a path to become a Hindu or move out of Hinduism to the extreme of even denying divine altogether -- something most religion do not allow. So if Hinduism is like that, how come RSS will not be similar?

Now, RSS is more of a "peer to peer" organisation than a "top-down/master-slave" kind of organisation. It comprises of many branches with a branch head. Each branch is almost completely independent.

Actually, among other things, RSS supplement to Hinduism what Mosque and Churches always did: Organize the followers, promote discussion and pass on common decisions to the masses. Hindu temples typically did not cater to these needs. This does mean branch conduct can vary a lot too.

That being said, there is one part that is WAY MORE prominent than perhaps Hinduism or Hindutva in RSS. It should actually be obvious. Nationalism. And again it shows the closed nature of things. RSS is an organisation deeply tied to the land. It represents "fatherland" first and foremost. It even goes to make that distinction fundamentally in its charter: the religion that are of this land are distinct from the ones that came from outside.

This is why outer organizations of Sangh Parivar never get to call themselves RSS (and yes it would be an oxymoron too!). They have to settle for HSS or something similar. Infact, RSS goes out of way to draw that line. VHP is global. RSS will never let itself to be really global.

Actually, my own thinking is, Hinduism at its core is agrarian. Which make land really important to it. Which is why Hinduism and its nationalism is tightly tied to this geography and it shows in its major political movement as well.

 

[Joe Shearer]

fine, I do hope you'll find it in your heart to forgive me, it is/was the last day of the Gregorian calendar year, wasn't it ?

hows about raising one (or a couple) to new beginnings and the like ?

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Cheers.

 

[Joe Shearer]

heh.

"Hinduism" in most of its forms is not really a religion that is "open" in that way. It is very inward looking. It never had a path to become a Hindu or move out of Hinduism to the extreme of even denying divine altogether -- something most religion do not allow. So if Hinduism is like that, how come RSS will not be similar?

Now, RSS is more of a "peer to peer" organisation than a "top-down/master-slave" kind of organisation. It comprises of many branches with a branch head. Each branch is almost completely independent.

Actually, among other things, RSS supplement to Hinduism what Mosque and Churches always did: Organize the followers, promote discussion and pass on common decisions to the masses. Hindu temples typically did not cater to these needs. This does mean branch conduct can vary a lot too.

That being said, there is one part that is WAY MORE prominent than perhaps Hinduism or Hindutva in RSS. It should actually be obvious. Nationalism. And again it shows the closed nature of things. RSS is an organisation deeply tied to the land. It represents "fatherland" first and foremost. It even goes to make that distinction fundamentally in its charter: the religion that are of this land are distinct from the ones that came from outside.

This is why outer organizations of Sangh Parivar never get to call themselves RSS (and yes it would be an oxymoron too!). They have to settle for HSS or something similar. Infact, RSS goes out of way to draw that line. VHP is global. RSS will never let itself to be really global.

Actually, my own thinking is, Hinduism at its core is agrarian. Which make land really important to it. Which is why Hinduism and its nationalism is tightly tied to this geography and it shows in its major political movement as well.

You may or may not be a Sanghi, but I couldn't care less. Each post is worth it.

I enjoyed your last post. Have you noticed the huge agrarian content of every single blasted ritual of ours? Down to the symbolism of the man in mourning for either parent (This is Bengali, I don't know if other parts follow these costumes and accessories).

 

[vsdoc]

heh.

"Hinduism" in most of its forms is not really a religion that is "open" in that way. It is very inward looking. It never had a path to become a Hindu or move out of Hinduism to the extreme of even denying divine altogether -- something most religion do not allow. So if Hinduism is like that, how come RSS will not be similar?

Now, RSS is more of a "peer to peer" organisation than a "top-down/master-slave" kind of organisation. It comprises of many branches with a branch head. Each branch is almost completely independent.

Actually, among other things, RSS supplement to Hinduism what Mosque and Churches always did: Organize the followers, promote discussion and pass on common decisions to the masses. Hindu temples typically did not cater to these needs. This does mean branch conduct can vary a lot too.

That being said, there is one part that is WAY MORE prominent than perhaps Hinduism or Hindutva in RSS. It should actually be obvious. Nationalism. And again it shows the closed nature of things. RSS is an organisation deeply tied to the land. It represents "fatherland" first and foremost. It even goes to make that distinction fundamentally in its charter: the religion that are of this land are distinct from the ones that came from outside.

This is why outer organizations of Sangh Parivar never get to call themselves RSS (and yes it would be an oxymoron too!). They have to settle for HSS or something similar. Infact, RSS goes out of way to draw that line. VHP is global. RSS will never let itself to be really global.

Actually, my own thinking is, Hinduism at its core is agrarian. Which make land really important to it. Which is why Hinduism and its nationalism is tightly tied to this geography and it shows in its major political movement as well.

Yet even though the RSS makes the distinction of religions birthed of the soil, I do not think anyone but a born Hindu can be part of the RSS core.

Not a Jain.

Not a Buddhist.

Not a Sikh.

All faiths birthed of this soil.

Is my understanding correct fundamentally?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Joe Shearer]

fine, I do hope you'll find it in your heart to forgive me, it is/was the last day of the Gregorian calendar year, wasn't it ?

hows about raising one (or a couple) to new beginnings and the like ?

Sharma Ji:

You seem to have got things wrong.

None of this is personal. The intention is to keep the forum focussed and on the rails, to mix two metaphors. Bad language, insults, slurs and vicious attacks are to be stopped. Also idle posts that are without purpose.

If you get warnings, deletions, thread bans, forum bans, these will each one be for such reasons only - no viciousness, no fooling around.