Setting Sail in the Eastern Mediterranean: A Comparative Analysis of Egyptian MEKO-200EN and Turkish İstif Class Frigates

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And you explain that you are a liar and that your projects are simply fictitious. Why does Turkey buy AIM-120C8 missiles and you have a Turkish air-to-air missile whose price is a third of the price of an American missile?

If you know nothng about Military then Its not my problem

Turkiye can not use Turkish Weapons on 79 American VIPER modernized F-16s and 40 new F-16V

therefore Turkiye buys AIM-120C8 and HARM Missiles

Turkiye will use Turkish Weapons on only OZGUR modernized F-16s as like SOM Cruise Missile and KGK , HGK , LGK , NEB Guided Bombs and soon GOKDOGAN-BOZDOGAN-GOKHAN air to air Missiles , KUZGUN and CAKIR Cruise Missiles and AKBABA anti-radiation Missile


But 200+ Egyptian F-16s never get BVR and land attack Cruise Missile
also Egyptian RAFALEs

Have you not yet understood that you are escaping from reality to islands of dreams and science fiction programs and mixing things up with each other to hide your weakness, your failure and your true weakness?

GoMig-21 another nonsense post from SAMI-1​

 

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All of your products have components imported from abroad, so keep your large exports and your imports larger because all your production inputs are imported,

You are lying again

Turkiye doesnt pay Billions of Dollars to buy monkey model Weapons like Egypt
even Turkiye sold Corvette-Frigate to Pakistan , Ukraine , Turkmenistan , Malaysia , Indonesia and Ships to dozens of Countries

Turkish Naval Industry is in the top league in the world


Turkish ISTIF class Frigate is almost full of Indigenous except Engine

ADVENT Network Enabled Data Integrated Combat Management System
CENK AESA Radar
ALPER LPI Surface Radar
AKREP Fire Control Radar
TAKS Gun fire control System
IFF System ( Identification Friend or Foe )
SATCOM
KULAC echo sounder
PIRI IRST
FERSAH Hull Mounted Sonar
SeaEye-AHTAPOT EO Reconnaisance and Survellience System
ARES-2N Electronic Warfare System
HIZIR Torpedo counter measure System
MIDLAS VLS

MKE 76 mm Gun
HISAR-D Air Defense Missile
ATMACA Anti ship Missile
GOKDENIZ 35 mm CIWS
STOP 25 mm Machine Gun Platform
ORKA Torpedo

Only Turkiye can do it in Islamic World of 60 Countries
and one of a few Countries in the World


Your Egypt can not develop even a CIWS
Your MEKO-A200 Frigates lack CIWS to intercept anti-ship Missiles

 

[Indos]

You are lying again

Turkiye doesnt pay Billions of Dollars to buy monkey model Weapons like Egypt
even Turkiye sold Corvette-Frigate to Pakistan , Ukraine , Turkmenistan , Malaysia , Indonesia and Ships to dozens of Countries

Turkish Naval Industry is in the top league in the world


Turkish ISTIF class Frigate is almost full of Indigenous except Engine

ADVENT Network Enabled Data Integrated Combat Management System
CENK AESA Radar
ALPER LPI Surface Radar
AKREP Fire Control Radar
TAKS Gun fire control System
IFF System ( Identification Friend or Foe )
SATCOM
KULAC echo sounder
PIRI IRST
FERSAH Hull Mounted Sonar
SeaEye-AHTAPOT EO Reconnaisance and Survellience System
ARES-2N Electronic Warfare System
HIZIR Torpedo counter measure System
MIDLAS VLS

MKE 76 mm Gun
HISAR-D Air Defense Missile
ATMACA Anti ship Missile
GOKDENIZ 35 mm CIWS
STOP 25 mm Machine Gun Platform
ORKA Torpedo

Only Turkiye can do it in Islamic World of 60 Countries
and one of a few Countries in the World
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Your Egypt can not develop even a CIWS
Your MEKO-A200 Frigates lack CIWS to intercept anti-ship Missiles

Indonesia never until this moment buy any Turkish corvetes/frigates, we can build by our own.

 

[GoMig-21]

I am following Egyptian Armed Forces thread since 2017
and a lot of fake news and delusional projects without any agreement

from Youtube Videos .... ( The SC and You sharing all those Youtube videos )

only a few examples
1-- Egypt buys SCORPENE - BARRACUDA Submarines ..... no any agreement yet

I've been on since 2016 and never once have I posted any fake news, not once. As a matter of fact, I actually challenge those who post incorrect info and question everything that I don't think is correct, especially the YouTube videos. How many times have you read my posts where a rag on the Egyptian fellas who make those videos and I call them out for their pretending they know everything? Check the last few pages in that thread and you'll see the latest one about the guy named Marker. Most of his stuff is good but the one looney thing he said about the Su-35s I was all over his case about it.

And also most of those videos are information coming out of news agencies and they specifically mention that there are negotiations happening, such as the recent one for 24 Eurofighter Typhoons. We don't make up any of that shyte, we just discuss it. Nothing wrong with that. Strike one for you! lol

And the one about the Scorpene/Barracuda subs was nothing but a potential deal. No one ever said anything about Egypt buying them. Show me exactly where someone said that and I will buy you a shawarma! How's that?

And @The SC ? He is the MAN! He's so on top of everything in the Arab world and beyond he would never talk BS, not even in anyone's dream.
Strike 2 for you!

3-- You are still showing SU-35 photos .... No any SU-35 to Egypt
USA blocked this agreement with Russia

So what? Read the first line I wrote in that 1 post with the pics of the EAF Su-35s that were ready to be delivered and I said "this was one of the nightmares that has occured to the EAF in recent times" because this was a new forum and the thread was new with only a few pages, so I was only updating it with the story about them and posted pics of them so that viewers who were interested could see them. I never said anything about them being in the EAF. As a matter of fact, @The SC , @Ghostkiller , @Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose and myself all agree that the deal for the Su-35 is kiboshed. Done. Finito. The only one is the guy who says he's seen them in Egypt and there is also a 2nd type (which I guessed he was claiming they also bought a few Su-30SMs as trainers for new Su-35 pilots since it's a single seater and the Su-30SM is a 2-seater with similar avionics) but I quickly put the skaramouche on that pile of rubbish. See, we only deal with full truths and verifiable information and never go by hearsay and fake rumors. Strike 3 YOU'RE OUT!

4 -- #81 Youtube video says Egypt buys Aircraft Carrier from France .... no any agreement

He never said it was bought come on, maaaaan. The most anyone ever said was that there was interest in it and the EAF/EN looked into it and that was it. Absolutely nothing beyond that. There are no more strikes!

@GoMig-21 another nonsense post from SAMI-1​

lol I asked him in Arabic to go easy. He certainly doesn't have to listen to me but hey, you see me question Sami also, right? And he answers back honestly like a man. No deception here. He's just like you very passionate about his country and knows A LOT about its military & politics. That's why the two of you butt heads lol.

Your Egypt can not develop even a CIWS
Your MEKO-A200 Frigates lack CIWS to intercept anti-ship Missiles

Oh come on, maaaaan! Seriously? Do you really believe that? Or you just busting our balls? It's actually equipped with a pair of Nexter Narwhal 20mm remotely operated naval turret auto-cannons. One at mid-ship bow and one at mid-ship aft precisely for anti-ship missiles and any surface threats.


Link.


This graph shows the two auto remote guns turrets as MSI SEAHWAK DS A2 but they were replaced with the Nexter Narwhal. But at least it shows you the 2 locations also.

You're out of strikes, MMA!

The first 3 MEKOs were built in Germany and the 4th was built in Alexandria and launched in November 6 months ago. That one is named Sajm Al-Jabbar. But let's take a look at all the specs. EN MEKOs will be the first ships to operate the MICA NG (New Generation) SAM VLS.

The frigate has been equipped with the latest generation of Thales NS-110 4D Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) air and surface surveillance radar which is an advanced and upgraded verison of the original NS-100 3D radar, Mirador Mk2 Electro-optical (EO) detecting system decoys launchers for C310 high-performance anti-torpedo counter-measures system, 2× 32 Tube laser-decoys launchers for Rheinmetall Multi Ammunition Softkill System EM/IR (MASS), Thales SCORPION Electronic Warfare Support Measures System (ECM), ALTESSE-H high-grade shipboard CESM (communications electronic support measures) and COMINT (communications intelligence), SATCOMs, also the installation of a towed array sonar.

For the armament and weaponry system, it will be fitted with LW 127mm main cannon armed with Vulcano and Dart shells, 32 Vertical Launch Systems (VLS) that will be armed with MICA New Generation (NG) Surface-to-Air Missiles which the frigate will be the first customer to operate on board, Four to two quad Launchers have been installed and planned to be equipped with MM40 Exocet Anti-ships missiles, Nexter Narwhal or Oerlikon Searanger 20mm naval guns, in addition to Two types of Torpedos: DM2A4 Seahake heavyweight torpedoes and MU-90 lightweight torpedos, plus a helipad with a hanger that can accommodate two helicopters and a vertically launch (VTOL) drones.

BTW, this article here about Sajm Al-Jabbar was written by a Turkish former naval officer named Tayfun Ozberk.

 

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And the one about the Scorpene/Barracuda subs was nothing but a potential deal. No one ever said anything about Egypt buying them. Show me exactly where someone said that and I will buy you a shawarma! How's that?

And @The SC ? He is the MAN! He's so on top of everything in the Arab world and beyond he would never talk BS, not even in anyone's dream.
Strike 2 for you!

I dont want to hurt The SC who share youtube videos which says full of wishful thinking instead of military agreements

and SAMI-1 is dreaming about BARRACUDA Submarine here .. even NO any agreement yet
and He calls real Turkish projects as a dream ... Its so ridiculous and funny

Turkish Navy gets Type-214TN class AIP Submarines
and MILDEN class AIP Submarine production start in 2025

No deception here. He's just like you very passionate about his country and knows A LOT about its military & politics. That's why the two of you butt heads lol.

I never give false info about Egypt and Egyptian Armed Forces
I never say anything except confirmed Turkish military projects

SAMI-1 is lying and gives false info about Turkiye and Turkish military projects

I am correcting his lies and inaccurate posts
His Post "" And you explain that you are a liar and that your projects are simply fictitious. Why does Turkey buy AIM-120C8 missiles and you have a Turkish air-to-air missile whose price is a third of the price of an American missile? ""

He doesnt know even Turkiye can not use indigenous missiles on 79 American VIPER modernized F-16s and 40 new F-16V

therefore Turkiye buys AIM-120C8 Missiles
We will use Turkish Weapons on only OZGUR modernized F-16s

He called Turkish military projects as simply fictitious ... while Egypt develop nothing

Its trolling ... nothing else

 

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Oh come on, maaaaan! Seriously? Do you really believe that? Or you just busting our balls? It's actually equipped with a pair of Nexter Narwhal 20mm remotely operated naval turret auto-cannons. One at mid-ship bow and one at mid-ship aft precisely for anti-ship missiles and any surface threats.

Dude , Its not a CIWS
Its an autocannon as like Turkish STOP 25 mm Machine Gun Platform

Nexter Narwhal 20mm cannon


or MSI-DS SEAHAWK DS A2 cannon


Turkish ISTIF class Frigate armed with 2 x Aselsan STOP 25mm cannons



but Its real CIWS
Turkish GOKDENIZ 35mm CIWS with airburst ammunition to intercept anti-ship Missiles

Turkish Navy ISTIF class Frigate and modernized MEKO-200TN Frigate armed with GOKDENIZ 35mm CIWS


So Egyptian Navy MEKO-A200 Frigates dont have a CIWS

 

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The first 3 MEKOs were built in Germany and the 4th was built in Alexandria and launched in November 6 months ago. That one is named Sajm Al-Jabbar. But let's take a look at all the specs. EN MEKOs will be the first ships to operate the MICA NG (New Generation) SAM VLS.

I did not say anything bad about Egyptian MEKO-A200 Frigates which are very modern Ships

I just compared Egyptian MEKO-A200 Frigates with the Turkish Navy ISTIF and modernized MEKO-200TN Frigates


ISTIF class Frigate equipped with 400 km Aselsan CENK AESA Radar with GaN technology
ADVENT Network Enabled Data Integrated Combat Management System
ARES-2N Electronic Warfare System
HIZIR Soft-Kill Torpedo Countermeasure System
FERSAH Hull Mounted Sonar
and most modern weapons like HISAR-D SAM and ATMACA anti-ship Missile
also Torpedos for ASW capability


FIRE POWER

Egyptian MEKO-A200 Frigate armed with 32 x MICA NG SAMs
and 8 x EXOCET anti-ship Missiles

Egyptian FREMM Frigates armed with 16 x ASTER-15 SAMs
and 8 x EXOCET anti-ship Missiles

Turkish Navy modernized MEKO-200TN Frigates armed with 32-64 x ESSM SAMs
and 16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles

even Turkish Navy 4 GABYA class Frigates armed with 32 x ESSM and 36 x SM-1MR SAMs

Thanks to American technology MK-41 VLS for quad pack capability to carry 4 ESSM SAMs in one canister


ISTIF class Frigate also will be armed with 64 x HISAR-D SAMs and 16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles

Indigenous MIDLAS VLS will be quad packed with HISAR-D Block2 SAM

 

[Foinikas]

Stop dreaming with your Egypt which can not produce even a Corvette

And where is your SCORPONE - BARRACUDA Submarine ? you delusional Troll
You have started showing future projects .....even No any deal to buy SCORPONE - BARRACUDA Submarines

On the other hand
Turkiye produce 6 Type-214TN class AIP Submarines and 2 of 6 Submarines already were produced

even I am not talking about STM-500 and MILDEN class Submarine projects

keep dreaming with 4 Type-209 Submarines
Turkiye has already 12 Type-209 Submarines



Turkiye develops its own weapons FAC , Corvette , Frigate , LCT , LST , Sea supply combat support Ship and all Subsystems from VLS to AESA Radars , from Naval Gun to SAMs , from EW Systems to Anti-Ship Missiles


..... As of 2024 , Turkish Navy is the strongest Navy in the Region ......

Egyptian Navy Combat fleet
11 Frigates
4 Corvettes
8 Submarines

NO Anti-Submarine Warfare Plane
NO strategic strike UCAV
NO Electronic Warfare Ship
NO Unmanned Combat Vessel
NO Unmanned Kamikaze Vessel

and NO any future project


Turkish Navy Combat fleet
17 Frigates
4 Corvettes
13 Submarines

12 Anti-Submarine Warfare Planes .. ( 6 ATR-72 and 6 CN-235N )
AKINCI strategic Strike UCAV
MARLIN and ULAQ Unmanned Combat Vessels
ALBATROS Unmanned Kamikaze Vessel
TCG UFUK Electronic Warfare Ship ... only Turkish Navy in the region

Listen,I've told you countless times the last 2 years:

Your posts are provocative. You use language that provokes and makes people react to them. You contain words and phrases like "Keep dreaming" and "all you day-dreamers" or "NO any future project no strategic UCAV". Stuff like "your tiny Greece,your pathetic Egypt,your useless Iran,your backwards Pakistan,your weak Israel" etc.

At the same time you talk about the Turkish Armed Forces in a way that makes them look like a futuristic superpower. Then you constantly spam Turkish product stats and photos. I've told you many times that you don't have to repost the same photos again and again in every post. It's like spam. It's like you're an annoying persistent salesman who calls people to talk about the company's products and discounts.

And I know that your only answer to all this will be: "I'm just telling the truth nothing else."

 

[Foinikas]

Turkiye has bigger GDP than Greece+Egypt+Iran combined

Oh and stop repeating this bullshit.

 

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Your posts are provocative. You use language that provokes and makes people react to them. You contain words and phrases like "Keep dreaming" and "all you day-dreamers" or "NO any future project no strategic UCAV". Stuff like "your tiny Greece,your pathetic Egypt,your useless Iran,your backwards Pakistan,your weak Israel" etc.

You are only provocative person here since 2021
Jealous Greek or anyone else

I did not say anything here which you were mentioned

I reported you for trolling , lying , provocation and spamming thread with nonsense
I am talking to Egyptian guys here .. wth you jumped as always ? you jealous Greek


When I beat all of you on PDF , as always You started trolling and babbling to divert the topic

Discuss about the Navy or shut up

At the same time you talk about the Turkish Armed Forces in a way that makes them look like a futuristic superpower. Then you constantly spam Turkish product stats and photos

I am showing the reality and only confirmed Turkish military projects
No any fake news or project

285m Aircraft Carrier project is real , TCG ANADOLU is real
TF-2000 Destroyer project and MILDEN class Submarine project are real
KAAN , KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 Fighter Jet projects are real


If reality hurts you then its not my problem ... jealous Greek
Go and cry to SAMI-1 who shared fake news like BARRACUDA Submarine for the Egyptian Navy

I gave detailed info to compare with Egyptian Navy Frigates with Turkish Navy Frigates
still wth are you trolling here ?

 

[MMM-E]

Oh and stop repeating this bullshit.

bullshit ? Its reality

Turkiye has bigger GDP than Greece+Egypt+Iran combined
Stop reply to me .... I am not talking anything about you and your Greece here

I dont want to discuss with a person like you
Same users and their false flagger accounts with butthurt feelings

 

[Foinikas]

Same users and their false flagger accounts with butthurt feelings

You remember how many people you've called "false flaggers"? Some 30-40 people. The one with the superiority complex is you and you are in denial. You cannot stop bragging about Turkey. I understand that it's your country and you are happy about its achievements,but most of the time it's an endless rant about great Turkey is and how all other countries suck.

 

[Foinikas]

And I know that your only answer to all this will be: "I'm just telling the truth nothing else."

If reality hurts you then its not my problem ... jealous Greek

Thank you for proving my point of you being in denial and not able to see why your posts are provocative.

 

[Foinikas]

When I beat all of you on PDF , as always You started trolling and babbling to divert the topic

Discuss about the Navy or shut up

1.You imagine that you beat everybody on PDF,but the truth is when people disprove your arguments or debunk your claims with evidence,all you do is completely ignore them or refuse to accept it and continue to repost your original argument.

2.I've discussed about Navy with you before (and others too) and all it came down was you ranting about how "MORE SAM" wins in naval warfare and how easily Turkey can use a number of UCAVs to take out an enemy Navy.

It came down to you claiming the Hellenic,Egyptian and Israeli Navies together too weak to take on Turkey,you considered every Navy in the Mediterannean as inferior to the Turkish one,be it the Italian,Spanish,French,Algerian.

The funniest part was you claiming that a full US Navy carrier group cannot defeat the Turkish fleet either.

 

[GoMig-21]

Dude , Its not a CIWS

Sure it is. It's not a combined gun & missile unit like your GOKDENIZ, but it's a rapid-firing gun for any approaching threat including sea-skimming missiles. Combined with the MICA-NG makes it a complete system, just not an all-in-one unit. It has other choices for anti-ship missiles.

A lot of times the EN will not just settle for any system that the manufacturer provides. They'll receive the platform and train on it and use it for a year or two and then add whatever systems they end up wanting. This is a sound method and exactly what they're doing with the Mistrals. They'll probably end up installing the Pantsir-M CIWS on both of them. But for now, the Avenger and escort ships like the Ambassador MK are sufficient.

AMI-1 is lying and gives false info about Turkiye and Turkish military projects

I am correcting his lies and inaccurate posts
His Post "" And you explain that you are a liar and that your projects are simply fictitious. Why does Turkey buy AIM-120C8 missiles and you have a Turkish air-to-air missile whose price is a third of the price of an American missile? ""

He doesnt know even Turkiye can not use indigenous missiles on 79 American VIPER modernized F-16s and 40 new F-16V

therefore Turkiye buys AIM-120C8 Missiles
We will use Turkish Weapons on only OZGUR modernized F-16s

Ok, that makes sense. The same thing with the EAF. Even if we produced or purchased outside BVR missiles, the US would never allow us to integrate them on our F-16s. The only entity that gets that privilege is the demon state. They get to do anything they please the bastards.

But I thought you got the source codes from the US? Wasn't that a big ordeal Türkiye was asking for them to integrate its domestic weapons onto its F-16 for a long time and the US wouldn't do it but finally agreed to supply them? So why is that still an issue? Why are they not allowing them on the Viper upgrade?

He called Turkish military projects as simply fictitious ... while Egypt develop nothing

Its trolling ... nothing else

Meh, don't let Sami bother you. You know how much crap we Egyptians get every day on this forum? lol. You can't take these things seriously. Just try and prove him wrong if you want to and leave it at that. It's not worth getting grey hairs over it. Everyone who's half-knowledgeable knows the Turkish navy is very powerful, so don't sweat the little details.

BTW, check this out from Global Naval Powers Ranking. Indonesian Navy ranked 4th! @Indos
Türkiye @10th, Egypt @13th, Algeria @15th ( @Chakib Larbi ), Greece @22 ( @Foinikas ) ( Pakistan @29th and the demon navy @31! So much for the murderous zionist and their supa powa vegan/environmentally friendly military.

Link if you want to see the site or click on it to enlarge.