PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[harpy1]

Its about tactics to develop tactics against more advanced jets so called your out of this universe Rafale, and J10C is using lots of technologies from J-20, in Air defense role it is better than Rafale because Rafale is slower which means it gives less kinetic energy to meteor than J10C gives the kinetic energy to PL15

And we are developing tactics against Rafales with friendly countries like we recently had joint exercise with Qatari Rafales

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Oh that explains why all.the Arabs are lining up to buy the Rafale and ignoring the J10c at less than half the price..

I swear the minute you buy Chinese stuff it's better
We had the same with unproven pl15

By the way the unproven is what we get every time India inducts anew indengious system

Your happy with your stuff from china
We are defo happy with french israeli and our own Indian stuff these days

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

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Oh that explains why all.the Arabs are lining up to buy the Rafale and ignoring the J10c at less than half the price..

I swear the minute you buy Chinese stuff it's better
We had the same with unproven pl15

By the way the unproven is what we get every time India inducts anew indengious system

Your happy with your stuff from china
We are defo happy with french israeli and our own Indian stuff these days

Arabs are slaves to west that's why they are not buying any big ticket items from China what's wrong with that?

And your meteor is also unproven so what's the problem?

Ok, so why are you ranting baseless, I'm doing just technical analysis that you wouldn't want to understand

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Its about tactics to develop tactics against more advanced jets so called your out of this universe Rafale, and J10C is using lots of technologies from J-20, in Air defense role it is better than Rafale because Rafale is slower which means it gives less kinetic energy to meteor than J10C gives the kinetic energy to PL15

And we are developing tactics against Rafales with friendly countries like we recently had joint exercise with Qatari Rafales

A single engine jet is generally less powerful than a twin-engine jet. The J10C would be effective against India if Pakistan acquired 100 units, 20 J10Cs are not particularly significant.
But, As I have said earlier, even if Pakistan acquired the F-22 Raptor, the first jet it would encounter while approaching India would be the Tejas MK1A. Rafales are not deployed at the forward bases along the India-Pakistan border, it is the Tejas that is replacing the MiG-21s, not the Rafales.

 

[kaku]

Its about tactics to develop tactics against more advanced jets so called your out of this universe Rafale, and J10C is using lots of technologies from J-20, in Air defense role it is better than Rafale because Rafale is slower which means it gives less kinetic energy to meteor than J10C gives the kinetic energy to PL15

And we are developing tactics against Rafales with friendly countries like we recently had joint exercise with Qatari Rafales

Not true,
IAF's Rafale is entirely different, because of ISE upgrades, even if you compare with F4. But this is not the thread to discuss that.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

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Oh that explains why all.the Arabs are lining up to buy the Rafale and ignoring the J10c at less than half the price..

I swear the minute you buy Chinese stuff it's better
We had the same with unproven pl15

By the way the unproven is what we get every time India inducts anew indengious system

Your happy with your stuff from china
We are defo happy with french israeli and our own Indian stuff these days

Indian Rafales are not an immediate concern for Pakistan. The jet replacing the MiG-21s at forward bases along the India-Pakistan border is the Tejas MK1A. Tejas is most likely to be the first to engage, whether by dropping bombs on Pakistan at short notice or by attacking any Pakistani fighter jets or AWACS. While Rafales are important, they are not as pivotal as the Tejas in the context of India-Pakistan air skirmishes.

 

[harpy1]

Arabs are slaves to west that's why they are not buying any big ticket items from China what's wrong with that?

And your meteor is also unproven so what's the problem?

Ok, so why are you ranting baseless, I'm doing just technical analysis that you wouldn't want to understand

Leave the technical analysis to military experts
Your technical analysis is j10 is better because Pakistan has it.end of

What is proven on any Chinese weapons
Nothing not diddly squat

You are all slaves Arabs and you people too...why because the likes of USA and China has you at their mercy

India is complete different we stand up to china in evey corner
We buy russian oil and s400 ignoring USA threats
We then.have USA selling weapons to us and begging us to join quad...
Look at the difference

 

[harpy1]

A single engine jet is generally less powerful than a twin-engine jet. The J10C would be effective against India if Pakistan acquired 100 units, 20 J10Cs are not particularly significant.
But, As I have said earlier, even if Pakistan acquired the F-22 Raptor, the first jet it would encounter while approaching India would be the Tejas MK1A. Rafales are not deployed at the forward bases along the India-Pakistan border, it is the Tejas that is replacing the MiG-21s, not the Rafales.

That I 100% agree on
Tejas wil become the most important fighter in the Indian air force bar the massive numbers of su30mki..
This is why
The low radar cross section
The Aesa radar
The USA engines
The new range of stand off weapons Astra and Rudram.
Are so vital and excellent additions to Tejas

 

[Awwad]

Indian Rafales are not an immediate concern for Pakistan. The jet replacing the MiG-21s at forward bases along the India-Pakistan border is the Tejas MK1A. Tejas is most likely to be the first to engage, whether by dropping bombs on Pakistan at short notice or by attacking any Pakistani fighter jets or AWACS. While Rafales are important, they are not as pivotal as the Tejas in the context of India-Pakistan air skirmishes.

India was literally found with its pants down on feb 27th 2019. They had no solution to strike package F-16s / JF- 17s / Saab Eyrie / PAF EW. The credible indian defence analysts openly admitted that india was outgunnged & outranged. Indian media itself said that indian defence minister rushed to france and expedite delivery of Rafale, Indian PM himself aknowledged that had the Rafale would be present situation would have been in their favor. And all of a sudden, you are saying that Rafale isn't bought to counter Pakistan. There were definitely indian media reports saying that Rafale is stationed in the bases which can be used against Pakistan as well. One was in the Kashmir as well. 36 Rafales really don't give an edge to india whatsoever. J-10C / F-16s / JF-17Cs combo still is a daunting task for IAF to handle. As far as Tejas is concerned, its not even a concern for PAF. Were there no Tejas in IAF's service in 2019? Why IAF felt so shy to bring it into the theatre in real action? Absent in 26th feb, absent in 27th feb. Your prime aircrafts at that time SU-30MKI did came to action but result wasn't really good. According to Pakistan one was shot down, rest at best were labelled as 'Amraam dodgers or whatever'. India's journalist shekar gupta did interview with IAF official and asked why SU-30s didn' t shoot back, the answer was we were unable to get a lock on our system. Tells a lot about capability gap.

 

[Awwad]

That I 100% agree on
Tejas wil become the most important fighter in the Indian air force bar the massive numbers of su30mki..
This is why
The low radar cross section
The Aesa radar
The USA engines
The new range of stand off weapons Astra and Rudram.
Are so vital and excellent additions to Tejas

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The thread isn't about Tejas, take it to related forum.

BTW,

- Low radar cross section
- Stand off weapons
- most important aircraft in the inventory
- AESA radar
- Vital & excellent blabla..

Yes, you're right I am talking about JF-17. Point is there's nothing special /edge in Tejas to bloat over. and again take tejas stuff to related forums..

 

[DDG-80]

Your prime aircrafts at that time SU-30MKI did came to action but result wasn't really good. According to Pakistan one was shot down, rest at best were labelled as 'Amraam dodgers or whatever'.

In terms of ECM capabilities of SU-30 MKI, the SU-30s can carry Elta EL/M-8222 SPJ. This is a standard EW pod for all SU-30 MKIs in service with Indian Airforce.

Jamming Modes I have read ELTA EL/M-8222 SPJ supports

1. Deceptive jamming
2. DRFM jamming
3. Barrage jamming
4. Pulse jamming

The first two are very important against A-A Missiles like AIM-120 C5 as when the missile is jammed the missile will encounter extreme difficulty to home on jam. Though Russian jammers have higher transmit power they use Blanket Jamming hence home on jam is effective against them. Blanket Jamming also fails against AESA seeker or radar.

During 27th Feb 2019, when PAF fired couple of AIM-120s on MKI; ELTA El/M-8222 SPJ were able to autonomously steer off the missiles away from its host aircraft thus saving the host aircraft.

 

[harpy1]

India was literally found with its pants down on feb 27th 2019. They had no solution to strike package F-16s / JF- 17s / Saab Eyrie / PAF EW. The credible indian defence analysts openly admitted that india was outgunnged & outranged. Indian media itself said that indian defence minister rushed to france and expedite delivery of Rafale, Indian PM himself aknowledged that had the Rafale would be present situation would have been in their favor. And all of a sudden, you are saying that Rafale isn't bought to counter Pakistan. There were definitely indian media reports saying that Rafale is stationed in the bases which can be used against Pakistan as well. One was in the Kashmir as well. 36 Rafales really don't give an edge to india whatsoever. J-10C / F-16s / JF-17Cs combo still is a daunting task for IAF to handle. As far as Tejas is concerned, its not even a concern for PAF. Were there no Tejas in IAF's service in 2019? Why IAF felt so shy to bring it into the theatre in real action? Absent in 26th feb, absent in 27th feb. Your prime aircrafts at that time SU-30MKI did came to action but result wasn't really good. According to Pakistan one was shot down, rest at best were labelled as 'Amraam dodgers or whatever'. India's journalist shekar gupta did interview with IAF official and asked why SU-30s didn' t shobot back, the answer was we were unable to get a lock on our system. Tells a lot about capability gap.

We just sanctioned 15 billion dollars of Indian money to buy 180 Tejas mark1a

We value Rafale but Tejas meets our needs more

We are confident that our own Tejas beats all.you have
Those dates F16 are no longer top dogs in south Asia
Thunder is second tier fightet with flaws in engines and airframe even you lot moving to j10c albeit tiny numbers

So Rafale is more needed in ladakh

 

[Awwad]

We just sanctioned 15 billion dollars of Indian money to buy 180 Tejas mark1a

What's the timeline for those 180 ? You know, by that time PAF would have lot more aircraft in its arsenal as well. Presently how many Tejas are there?

Those dates F16 are no longer top dogs in south Asia

In a full scale war, its not that your best aircraft will go against PAF's best aircraft. Your Rafale can come up against our old mirage and will eat it up and PAF's J-10C can come up against your mig-29 will eat it up. F-16s will find a lot, a lot of inferior IAF fighters to feast upon. In a fullscale war, there will be 100s of aircrafts shot down at both sides. There's no side with absolute clear air-dominance.

PAF will find it extremely difficult to strike our important communication lines & deep strike a no possibility. AD systems, especially MRSAM will be a deadly barrier for PAF to penetrate. Eventually it'll be war between men on ground

Huge mistake, if you believe in these lines. Even the tiny Israelis airspace is not impregnable with all of the technology, allies, budget and world's best air-defense / EW systems. The LOC is massive!!! No way on earth it can be guarded in a way that it becomes impregnable. 1000s of projectiles will go over from both side. Super expensive air-defense systems cannot handle everything... There would be even long range guided rockets going across, drones going across, Air launched cruise missiles and much more.. There isn't a dime barrier that's in your mind only. Gives a false illusion of security. That's not just india. Its true for every country.

 

[maverick]

A single engine jet is generally less powerful than a twin-engine jet. The J10C would be effective against India if Pakistan acquired 100 units, 20 J10Cs are not particularly significant.
But, As I have said earlier, even if Pakistan acquired the F-22 Raptor, the first jet it would encounter while approaching India would be the Tejas MK1A. Rafales are not deployed at the forward bases along the India-Pakistan border, it is the Tejas that is replacing the MiG-21s, not the Rafales.

with PL15, even 40 J10Cs are good enough, they can carry 160 PL15 combined, will give run to any air force with 4.5 Gen aircraft in the world.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

What's the timeline for those 180 ? You know, by that time PAF would have lot more aircraft in its arsenal as well. Presently how many Tejas are there?



In a full scale war, its not that your best aircraft will go against PAF's best aircraft. Your Rafale can come up against our old mirage and will eat it up and PAF's J-10C can come up against your mig-29 will eat it up. F-16s will find a lot, a lot of inferior IAF fighters to feast upon. In a fullscale war, there will be 100s of aircrafts shot down at both sides. There's no side with absolute clear air-dominance.



Huge mistake, if you believe in these lines. Even the tiny Israelis airspace is not impregnable with all of the technology, allies, budget and world's best air-defense / EW systems. The LOC is massive!!! No way on earth it can be guarded in a way that it becomes impregnable. 1000s of projectiles will go over from both side. Super expensive air-defense systems cannot handle everything... There would be even long range guided rockets going across, drones going across, Air launched cruise missiles and much more.. There isn't a dime barrier that's in your mind only. Gives a false illusion of security. That's not just india. Its true for every country.

Tejas is superior to any fighter jet in the PAF inventory, except for the J10C. By comparing specifications, it's clear and obvious, even without expert knowledge.

 

[Awwad]

Tejas is superior to any fighter jet in the PAF inventory, except for the J10C. By comparing specifications, it's clear and obvious, even without expert knowledge.

Yep, in the same way JF-17C is superior to any fighter jet in IAF inventory except maybe for Rafale. An Aesa equipped 4.5 gen fighter with powerful EW suite. Its obvious if you think about it. No ? So I suggest stop the nonsense of tejas. and take that debate to related thread.