PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Taimoor]

Indian Rafales are not an immediate concern for Pakistan. The jet replacing the MiG-21s at forward bases along the India-Pakistan border is the Tejas MK1A. Tejas is most likely to be the first to engage, whether by dropping bombs on Pakistan at short notice or by attacking any Pakistani fighter jets or AWACS. While Rafales are important, they are not as pivotal as the Tejas in the context of India-Pakistan air skirmishes.

Your Tejas at best will be doing point defence role. I dont think IAF is stupid enough to present them as target practice for PAF armed with PL15, Sd10s and AMRAAMS. PAF has already shotdown SU30mki and very confident to deal with it if such situation arise in future. The only aircraft PAF is honing its tactics and strategies is Rafael. That's where j10 or JF17 blk 3 will come into play.

 

[harpy1]

India Pak scenario is so different
For a start Indian military footprint is geographicsl impossible to hit every where
There based and ship yards 1000km.away so for our huge cities and based and commercial communication centres...
You have no reach in numbers that far

In contrast you have no strategic depth and India needs fewer missiles and rockets and can do serious damage to your infrastructure..
Your geography is a serious weakness

 

[MasterChief]

In terms of ECM capabilities of SU-30 MKI, the SU-30s can carry Elta EL/M-8222 SPJ. This is a standard EW pod for all SU-30 MKIs in service with Indian Airforce.

Jamming Modes I have read ELTA EL/M-8222 SPJ supports

1. Deceptive jamming
2. DRFM jamming
3. Barrage jamming
4. Pulse jamming

The first two are very important against A-A Missiles like AIM-120 C5 as when the missile is jammed the missile will encounter extreme difficulty to home on jam. Though Russian jammers have higher transmit power they use Blanket Jamming hence home on jam is effective against them. Blanket Jamming also fails against AESA seeker or radar.

During 27th Feb 2019, when PAF fired couple of AIM-120s on MKI; ELTA El/M-8222 SPJ were able to autonomously steer off the missiles away from its host aircraft thus saving the host aircraft.

What are you smoking.
It is widely known that the Russian radars of SU30 run into issues when it uses the Israeli jammers. Can't lock target and jam at the same time it seems. Look into it

 

[MasterChief]

Tejas is superior to any fighter jet in the PAF inventory, except for the J10C. By comparing specifications, it's clear and obvious, even without expert knowledge.

Yes Tejas can even hide inverted under the belly of F22. Very advanced

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Yep, in the same way JF-17C is superior to any fighter jet in IAF inventory except maybe for Rafale. An Aesa equipped 4.5 gen fighter with powerful EW suite. Its obvious if you think about it. No ? So I suggest stop the nonsense of tejas. and take that debate to related thread.

JF-17 Block 3 is equipped with an air-cooled AESA radar, which can never be as effective as a liquid-cooled one because the heat significantly reduces performance. J10C, like the Tejas, features a liquid-cooled AESA radar. This is why I mentioned that the J10C is the only fighter jet in the PAF comparable to the Tejas. There are several other shortcomings in the JF-17 that I won't discuss here, but radar is Important and an air-cooled AESA radar is not a proper AESA radar.

 

[Awwad]

Tejas is superior to any fighter jet in the PAF inventory, except for the J10C. By comparing specifications, it's clear and obvious, even without expert knowledge.

No sane person really says this kind of thing. Unless they want to make a joke out of themselves. You also are showing that you have severe bias. In J-10C vs Rafale comment you yourself replied to another person that dual engine are usually powerful then single engine. Even though J-10C has a huge massive thrust engine. Now you're passing out a hilarious statement that a light weight tejas is 'superior' to all LMAO!... Compare the engine thrust of F-16s to this aircraft of yours which is basically a LIFT aircraft. You need to have a same measure for both. Sometimes you jump to radars, sometime you talk about power of the aircraft. You are all over the place just because of your bias.

 

[Awwad]

JF-17 Block 3 is equipped with an air-cooled AESA radar, which can never be as effective as a liquid-cooled one because the heat significantly reduces performance. J10C, like the Tejas, features a liquid-cooled AESA radar. This is why I mentioned that the J10C is the only fighter jet in the PAF comparable to the Tejas. There are several other shortcomings in the JF-17 that I won't discuss here, but radar is Important and an air-cooled AESA radar is not a proper AESA radar.

J-10C can carry 2 Tejas under its wings and fly smoothly. "Comparable" LMAO!

Just imagine the resources available to power its huge Radar in the front. J-10C has only one competitor in IAF entire fleet that's Rafale. PAF F-16s / JF-17s can take on rest of all IAF inventory with confidence. There's nothing edgy / superior in IAF fleet.

 

[TopGun786]

J-10C is superior to the F-16, but it does not surpass the capabilities of the Rafale or the Eurofighter Typhoon and Any Pakistani aircraft approaching India would first encounter the Tejas, as Tejas is replacing the MiG-21s that were previously stationed at forward bases near the Pakistan border.

Ok

 

[TopGun786]

In terms of ECM capabilities of SU-30 MKI, the SU-30s can carry Elta EL/M-8222 SPJ. This is a standard EW pod for all SU-30 MKIs in service with Indian Airforce.

Jamming Modes I have read ELTA EL/M-8222 SPJ supports

1. Deceptive jamming
2. DRFM jamming
3. Barrage jamming
4. Pulse jamming

The first two are very important against A-A Missiles like AIM-120 C5 as when the missile is jammed the missile will encounter extreme difficulty to home on jam. Though Russian jammers have higher transmit power they use Blanket Jamming hence home on jam is effective against them. Blanket Jamming also fails against AESA seeker or radar.

During 27th Feb 2019, when PAF fired couple of AIM-120s on MKI; ELTA El/M-8222 SPJ were able to autonomously steer off the missiles away from its host aircraft thus saving the host aircraft.

I thought this thread was about J-10c
And yes we saw an AMRAAM AIM-120c which IAF showed after removing from the wreckage of Su30mki

 

[TopGun786]

No sane person really says this kind of thing. Unless they want to make a joke out of themselves. You also are showing that you have severe bias. In J-10C vs Rafale comment you yourself replied to another person that dual engine are usually powerful then single engine. Even though J-10C has a huge massive thrust engine. Now you're passing out a hilarious statement that a light weight tejas is 'superior' to all LMAO!... Compare the engine thrust of F-16s to this aircraft of yours which is basically a LIFT aircraft. You need to have a same measure for both. Sometimes you jump to radars, sometime you talk about power of the aircraft. You are all over the place just because of your bias.

Knowledge, my brother, it seems is not for every brain.
Ignore the trolls.
And they are just derailing the threads with nonsense about some 7th Generation Tejas.
Hope mods will remove nonsense from this thread.

 

[JohnWick]

PAF will find it extremely difficult to strike our important communication lines & deep strike a no possibility. AD systems, especially MRSAM will be a deadly barrier for PAF to penetrate. Eventually it'll be war between men on ground

You are not Israel Where CENTCOM, UK and France even NATO were deployed to protect you and We have Ballistic missiles to take out your communication lines and we will launch them in a volley no way you can even detect that

@Waz This one has no knowledge about anything In navy thread he applauded a Destroyer whose same class INS Rana was Destroyed as a Target practice in TOPEX 21 by his own navy in 2021

He is just spamming and trolling everywhere with his crap

 

[JohnWick]

Tejas is superior to any fighter jet in the PAF inventory, except for the J10C. By comparing specifications, it's clear and obvious, even without expert knowledge.

Even our retired paf officers can shoot it down with retired F-6 aircraft with pleasure

 

[rumoured maniac]

Does paf j-10 have air refuelling capabilities?

 

[Ak01]

Does paf j-10 have air refuelling capabilities?

yes all J-10Cs and JF-17s after a certain prod number have removable AAR probes

 

[JohnWick]

IAF new high power radars will work as early warning detection, as well as act as BMD radar, additional to tracking stealth fighter aircrafts using 4 AESA radars panels. The most important capability of HPR and MPR is it can detect small targets such as cruise/tactical ballistic missiles at very long range which makes it particularly useful on the eastern & western border. If stationed at strategic locations and fully integrated with IACCS, these radars will make it harder for hostile cruise missiles to get through the defensive net.

What have I said read it again
"In a Volley" You don't have any Radar or ADS which can effectively engage 400-500 ballistic missiles

And in the modern warfare we first take out the Radar and ADS by using Drones and EMP attacks Like we jammed your communication situational awareness of battlefield in 2019

And We are developing and improving MIRV which when renter the earth's atmosphere has a speed of Mach 25 and a count of 4 to 6 vehicles Carrying the most deadliest nuclear warheads ever used on God's green Earth