JF-17 PFX program

[Ak01]

Plus BLOCK III is already close to 50 in number

show us where you see 50 block 3's lol

 

[Ak01]

I think you are reading "far more" into the "name" than is warranted. You are implying far more "intellectual thought" was given to what the name may convey than actually has been the case with the PAF. The key is that it is JF17 PFX - ergo - the same fighter and not a new one.. PFX is a localisation effort that looks to allow Pakistan to continue to build the jet when China closes down its manufacturing line, alongside the integration of more local and foreign(Turkish) systems into the plane.

I hope that the next edition of "Second to None" clarifies to all ..

my explanation for PFX was acm thought it was a cool name after seeing TFX lol

 

[Deino]

show us where you see 50 block 3's lol

Not sure what he consumes, but whatever it is it let him „see“ more than 50 Block 3, J-31 in Pakistan soon, almost a 6th generation configuration … and surely soon more than 100 J-10CE!

 

[Ak01]

Not sure what he consumes, but whatever it is it let him „see“ more than 50 Block 3, J-31 in Pakistan soon, almost a 6th generation configuration … and surely soon more than 100 J-10CE!

poor guy must still be asleep

 

[MastanKhan]

For air to ground and anti shipping role and to keep an aviation industry. They failed at making a decent replacement for F-1 so US stepped in to help, leveraging the agile falcon that had lost in the USAF competition. It gained more internal fuel, and additional hard points but became draggier.
Question is was it worth it? CFTs did the same for range later on for the F-16s which the F-2 lack. And did they need a larger F-16 that cost four times as much when they also operated F-15s?

Hi,

The guideline was to carry 2 anti ship missiles of a minimum 800-1000 KG category on each wing---.

 

[MastanKhan]

The same reason we bought J-10c’s for. Seeing the current state of the economy it becomes very difficult for PAF to keep buying more J-10’s.
Hence why not make JF-17 in the same class as that?
The enlarged JF-17 would be a very different fighter. Everything would have to be reworked pretty much.
From flight control systems to landing gear.
If PAF manages to make even a single test unit, it would vastly increase the knowledge base of PAC and in the future help it to take on more ambitious projects like fifth generation.
Localized Digital FBW, Flight controls, EW suit, Radar, Integrated Life Support System (ILSS), On-board Oxygen generator System (OBOGS), All the software and programming, Digital cockpit.
These localization’s would go a long way. I could however be wrong and PAF just be bringing rest of JF-17 manufacturing line with TOT.
But developing a new Fighter essentially like J-10c would not only increase RND and knowledge base but also help save valuable $ that would essentially be spent on big ticket items like Kaan or J-31 etc.

Hi,

Please check my my answer in post 650.

 

[m52k85]

Hi,

Please check my my answer in post 650.

Two AshMs on stations 3 and 5 would give the Jf-17 very short legs. It doesn't support PN ops too far out. That is why J-10s have been seen training to support Masroor based ops, and also the need for atleast one more J-10 squadron.

 

[Jamie]

Hi,

Please check my my answer in post 650.

I seemed to have misunderstood your initial question.
Regarding the japanese enlarging the F-2 . It is correct they wanted more payload to be carried under each wing. In addition japan had as already mentioned produced F-15s under license locally but still wanted to make a local fighter to complement it as well as to gain experience designing and developing the aircraft themselves.
Was it worth being way overpriced ? The japanese seemed to think that the knowledge gained in the development was more valuable than the aircraft itself so.

 

[Jamie]

IMO the F-2 largely suffered due to Japan's restrictions on exporting arms. The project amassed a large overhead and the JASDF couldn't order enough to make it economical.

Remember it was the American’s who initially proposed an enlarged varient of the F-16 which became basis for F-2. They pressed the japs hard to be included in the program. Who knows what else might have came out of the program had the japs worked alone, might even be a different aircraft all together.
But I think the real win for them was the experience ,localization and knowledge gained from the whole program. This knowledge base became the foundation for the Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin.

If Pakistan does something similar and actually executed it properly. It would become the base for taking on 5th gen fighter programs in the future. But they need to involve private sector in it.

 

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[PakAl]

show us where you see 50 block 3's lol

He's adding JF17Bs in to Jf17 Block 3s, with the B being dual seater version of block 3s.

 

[Ak01]

He's adding JF17Bs in to Jf17 Block 3s, with the B being dual seater version of block 3s.

but its not though.

 

[Deino]

but its not though.

Yes, but what do you expect? He's constantly making things up

 

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Although the way this YouTube channel reports looks likes some children are reporting it. But the way they have access to PAF bases and Kamra plus PAF checks all these stuff before releasing them. To me it's getting quite clear that JF 17 PFX is basically a single engine stealth fighter jet program.