PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

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Just like they thought Mig21bison can take care of JFT and F16

The Indians used to claim their MiG-21BIS was superior to everything in PAF, including the F-16s and they used some weird stories to justify their claims. Operation Swift Retort provided them a horrible reality check and they were forced to retire them 😂
 
You are so funny, but in fact just a stupid idiot, a troll! Never heard of the concept of OSINT?

And by the way, yes I never provided "any tactical or strategic information" since the three hand-books on all three PLA branches with aerial assets - PLAAF, PLAN and PLA LH - with full Orbat tables, maps containing bases, operational radius, numbers and so on are just for hobby modellers, even if indeed some institutions, think tanks and experts seem to rate them quite valuable.

And regarding "never ever an input and prediction of his own", what about assessments of production rates, overall numbers in service and - just my latest work - the deciphering the new PLAN numbering system - are most likely unknown to you.

But since you are not interested in facts nor surely never read any of my works or any reviews, what was so far your contribution in terms of "tactical or strategic information"? Spitting shit against anyone, spreading lies and insults is at least by my understanding not a worthy contribution.

Anyway, a frustrated old man ...
Hi,

And you got all that information from---all these fanboy posters---sorted it out---filtered it out---and here you are.
 
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Panic in India 😜 they have bought all the generals and pak is laying down on its knees to be 🤬🤬🤬🤬, can not name India , Israel or Palestine in protest, they are killing anyone they want so few j-10 toys for show will make no difference 😂
 
The Indians used to claim their MiG-21BIS was superior to everything in PAF, including the F-16s and they used some weird stories to justify their claims. Operation Swift Retort provided them a horrible reality check and they were forced to retire them 😂
I wish I had saved this post from long ago from an Indian on the old PDF claiming exactly that…
…this was around the time there were news of India finalizing S400 deal(just the deal announced at the time not yet delivered)…
Indians were going around making big claims as usual…and this one Indian member said something along the lines of…
S400 will enforce a no fly zone within Pakistan’s airspace and any of PAF’s obsolete jets that might still get through will be taken care of by the upgraded Mig21s(there was a bison upgrade for IAF at some point).
 
I wish I had saved this post from long ago from an Indian on the old PDF claiming exactly that…
…this was around the time there were news of India finalizing S400 deal(just the deal announced at the time not yet delivered)…
Indians were going around making big claims as usual…and this one Indian member said something along the lines of…
S400 will enforce a no fly zone within Pakistan’s airspace and any of PAF’s obsolete jets that might still get through will be taken care of by the upgraded Mig21s(there was a bison upgrade for IAF at some point).

I remember bunch of those type of discussions. And the Indians were dead serious. They meant every word of their delusion till Mr Abhi got shot down and the legendary “raptors of the East” existed from the battle space at Mach speeds 😂
 
I remember bunch of those type of discussions. And the Indians were dead serious. They meant every word of their delusion till Mr Abhi got shot down and the legendary “raptors of the East” existed from the battle space at Mach speeds 😂
Yeah that’s why I was simultaneously in disbelief and amused…bcuz it wasn’t just trolling on their end just to get a rise out of someone…they would literally compare the specs on paper…and at times underestimate Pakistan’s capabilities just bcuz if something was of Chinese origin.

What gets even funnier is that a whole bunch of them are still in denial after what happened in the last skirmish…and continue to believe they have somehow won that.

I just hope that Pak’s armed forces continue doing what they pulled off…as in keep their head down and quietly build up their capabilities to put the enemy in its place when the time comes.
 
I remember bunch of those type of discussions. And the Indians were dead serious. They meant every word of their delusion till Mr Abhi got shot down and the legendary “raptors of the East” existed from the battle space at Mach speeds 😂
Yeah that’s why I was simultaneously in disbelief and amused…bcuz it wasn’t just trolling on their end just to get a rise out of someone…they would literally compare the specs on paper…and at times underestimate Pakistan’s capabilities just bcuz if something was of Chinese origin.

What gets even funnier is that a whole bunch of them are still in denial after what happened in the last skirmish…and continue to believe they have somehow won that.

I just hope that Pak’s armed forces continue doing what they pulled off…as in keep their head down and quietly build up their capabilities to put the enemy in its place when the time comes.

@Cookie Monster

Hi,

The reason the indians were making that claim because we never let them know about our abilities.

The israelis were making money as well---so they kept them in the dark---did not volunteer any info---.

Weapons sales is a brutal business.
 
Yeah that’s why I was simultaneously in disbelief and amused…bcuz it wasn’t just trolling on their end just to get a rise out of someone…they would literally compare the specs on paper…and at times underestimate Pakistan’s capabilities just bcuz if something was of Chinese origin.

What gets even funnier is that a whole bunch of them are still in denial after what happened in the last skirmish…and continue to believe they have somehow won that.

I just hope that Pak’s armed forces continue doing what they pulled off…as in keep their head down and quietly build up their capabilities to put the enemy in its place when the time comes.

@Cookie Monster

Hi,

The reason the indians were making that claim because we never let them know about our abilities.

The israelis were making money as well---so they kept them in the dark---did not volunteer any info---.

Weapons sales is a brutal business.
engine replacement has always been a major project. This means that India has tied its current Tejas MK1a and future MK2 fighter jets to the United States. For countries that want to become superpowers in the future, the lack of domestically produced military turbofan engines can easily cause engineering delays. Americans now supply their f404 engines, including the future f414 and so-called technology transfer, but there is actually a question of when the transfer will be truly completed. The United States is best at grasping the key points of others. The current f404 is said to be limited to 20 units per year in India, and the question of when their future mk2 will eventually be put into service is a matter of sight and no answer. As for the future quantity of J-10, I think Pakistan will decide based on India's introduction of fighter jets。PS: Anyone sitting in a high-level position is smart, but the corrupt transactions and insider information of the weapon lobbying team are unknown. Otherwise, who could have imagined that their Cavelli local engine development plan would have been interrupted for so long with long-term installation targets,And the United States provides 20 f404 engines each year, including backup engines. The production quantity and production plan of mk1a will definitely be limited, and the extension of production time is a disadvantageous factor for service and future updates, which provides more buffer period for the development of j10 and jf16 in Pakistan,Because India currently does not seem to have a clear plan to introduce fighter jets,The main threat is still the upgraded su30 mki
 
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Hi,

And you got all that information from---all these fanboy posters---sorted it out---filtered it out---and here you are.

Like I said, you don’t seem to be familiar to the concept of OSINT? … surely all information is found via „open source“ but the work and accomplishment is to surr out facts from fiction, lies & faked news like your posts from the most likely option and then to summarize it to the public.

As such I never claimed to have insider knowledge in the same way you surely don’t have - but at least what I summarize is rated by others as good OSINT work and as such valuable. If you don’t like it or cannot accept it, then the reason is probably more You than me or my work.
 
Yeah that’s why I was simultaneously in disbelief and amused…bcuz it wasn’t just trolling on their end just to get a rise out of someone…they would literally compare the specs on paper…and at times underestimate Pakistan’s capabilities just bcuz if something was of Chinese origin.

What gets even funnier is that a whole bunch of them are still in denial after what happened in the last skirmish…and continue to believe they have somehow won that.

I just hope that Pak’s armed forces continue doing what they pulled off…as in keep their head down and quietly build up their capabilities to put the enemy in its place when the time comes.

@Cookie Monster

Hi,

The reason the indians were making that claim because we never let them know about our abilities.

The israelis were making money as well---so they kept them in the dark---did not volunteer any info---.

Weapons sales is a brutal business.
I feel you. But I think such actions are deeply tied to fundamental self-doubt. For countries that have suffered long periods of technical inferiorities, any breakthroughs, however minor, will instantly get hailed as a "wonder weapon" of sorts to compensate for vocal insecurities.

As someone who has been on the internet for far too long, this gives me the same kind of deja vu when having conversations with Chinese netizens back in the early 2000s to 2010s, when Pr.956E/EM and hailed as carrier killers, Su-27SKs were a match for F-22s, etc etc.

Now this is just the same thing but with BrahMos, Tejas, INS Vikrant, and India as a whole. Only when India has truly achieved some sort of parity with their competitors, would there be room for subjectivity when viewing their own developments.
 
How is F-7 superior to Tejas ? Aside from range and payload, Tejas is comparable in capabilities to J10C.
Don't compare to light-weight jet to medium weight jet, your out of this universe Tejas MK 1 is comparable to our current block 2 JF-17 and our F16 block 52 is way ahead as compare to your current Tejas in every field like range/combat radius/radar range/weapon payload capacity etc etc, and your out of this universe Tejas MK1A is comparable to our block III JF-17
 
Like I said, you don’t seem to be familiar to the concept of OSINT? … surely all information is found via „open source“ but the work and accomplishment is to surr out facts from fiction, lies & faked news like your posts from the most likely option and then to summarize it to the public.

As such I never claimed to have insider knowledge in the same way you surely don’t have - but at least what I summarize is rated by others as good OSINT work and as such valuable. If you don’t like it or cannot accept it, then the reason is probably more You than me or my work.
Hi,

I have seen your PICTURE BOOKS---with a little poetry---you could be the Dr Seuss of the defense world---. Just kidding---.
 
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Like I said, you don’t seem to be familiar to the concept of OSINT? … surely all information is found via „open source“ but the work and accomplishment is to surr out facts from fiction, lies & faked news like your posts from the most likely option and then to summarize it to the public.

As such I never claimed to have insider knowledge in the same way you surely don’t have - but at least what I summarize is rated by others as good OSINT work and as such valuable. If you don’t like it or cannot accept it, then the reason is probably more You than me or my work.
Hi,

I don't discredit your work---. That is indeed an achievement in itself---. You found a niche and with that---you done a great job---that was never in doubt---.
 
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