PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[MastanKhan]

I think people are confusing how the PAF plans for things with what the PAF already has in the pipeline. The PAF would never induct a new fighter platform without planning for 80-90+ units - e.g., Mirage III/5, F-16, and JF-17.

Several retired PAF AMs told me that scalability is a big part of the equation; if the PAF just wanted 24 aircraft, it would acquire the Typhoon or Su-35. However, AHQ always seeks a high-performance fighter the PAF can field in numbers.

However, and this is a big caveat, the PAF roadmap is an empty bottle that the acquisition pipeline is supposed to fill. In other words, the PAF wants 90 J-10CEs, but it only has 20 in its hands and, for now, that's it. When the funds become available, it'll order more J-10CEs, but across small batches.

That said, I find it interesting that despite all of the shady issues at the top, AHQ always has a sanity check at the end. They could've easily gone the glitz and glamour route and asked for 24 Typhoons, and that'd be it for the next 12-15 years.

Hi,

20 aircraft mean---to have 50 pilots on the ready---for the J-10 CP's.

50---all tier 1 pilots and a whole set of crews for those aircraft to maintain them---.

Now on the same toke---you have another 25 JF-17 BLK 3's---in the same equation of technology---.

For those---you need another 65 tier 1 pilots and a proportionate number os maintenance techs---.

You have gotten into the 4.5 gen realm---. It is a different ball game than before---learning---operating---integration---maintenance---it is all time consuming for these aircraft---.

So---it is just not the J-10's only---the JF17 BLK 3's are both utilizing the resources of the Paf at the same time---.

You have to add the number of these 2 aircraft together to get a fair and clear picture of what the Paf is doing---.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Fatman17]

Let's get back to J-10CE please

In China

In Dubai

 

[Fatman17]

Batch of 6 more aircraft are being delivered soon bringing the total to 26. Initial contract is for 36 aircraft (2 Squadrons).

 

[Deino]

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Based on which source?

 

[Fatman17]

Based on which source?

X media

 

[Fatman17]

Aviation News Magazine

 

[Reichmarshal]

Batch of 6 more aircraft are being delivered soon bringing the total to 26. Initial contract is for 36 aircraft (2 Squadrons).

By the time the PAF is done the number will be just below or above 100. They will be inducted in incremental batches n each batch will be different from the previous as they will include all the latest tech thats been incorporated into the j 10.

All this takes time n lots of effort n money somthing that can't happen overnight. As u need to train pilots, develop tactics, write operation manuals, maintsinance manuals etc.....n the biggest of all translate every thing from Chinese to eng.....it all takes time.

So most of the debate here is pointless n frivolous to say the least.

The moderators need to do their part.

 

[harpy1]

There is no such news that your getting 100 j10c that is made up numbers

You talk about j31
You talk about jf17 px upgrade

Your j10c is the answer to 36 rafales that India acquired from 2020 onwards it' had taken years to get these because your first choice was F16 block 70 Rafales arrived

The pakistanis ideally trust and wanted USA fighters first and European rafales or Typhoon second but neither was attainable
J10 is a god send it's cheaper no strings guaranteed support

But getting 100 seems completely out of reach

Financially it's Like me saying India is inducting 300 Rafales ..just not happening

 

[prothought]

Hi,

Now don't start that--- " I am crying because you always insulting other posters"---.

Don't like me---click the ignore button---.

Sir ji, jaane dein. Why you waiste your time by embroiling yourself with petty things.

Also, please just press for ignor button for Deino rather than having periodically barbs with him. He too is a respected member of this forum.

 

[huanghong]

The Ambassador of Pakistan to China inspected the AVIC headquarters and held a dialogue on the delivery of a new batch of J-10CP fighters

 

[m52k85]

The Ambassador of Pakistan to China inspected the AVIC headquarters and held a dialogue on the delivery of a new batch of J-10CP fighters

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Pakistanis will know there is a particular kind of dialogue our ambassadors and politicians hold with foreign countries, and weapons procurement dialogue is not from amongst them.

However, the ambassador being found at AVIC is indeed a surprise. Any chance he is ex-armed forces as opposed to career foreign office?

 

[Reichmarshal]

There is no such news that your getting 100 j10c that is made up numbers

You talk about j31
You talk about jf17 px upgrade

Your j10c is the answer to 36 rafales that India acquired from 2020 onwards it' had taken years to get these because your first choice was F16 block 70 Rafales arrived

The pakistanis ideally trust and wanted USA fighters first and European rafales or Typhoon second but neither was attainable
J10 is a god send it's cheaper no strings guaranteed support

But getting 100 seems completely out of reach

Financially it's Like me saying India is inducting 300 Rafales ..just not happening

If they wanted u.s/ europeans fighters that badly....as per you..... then they would have bought them.

The Americans offered f 16 ...... PAF wanted to buy them from the CSF that the u.s owed Pakistan but the Americans wanted PAF to pay from loans that it was offering or from its own funds.
Same is the case with the European fighters.
Wt the above showed was that PAF was not really keen in acquiring western fighters....otherwise it would have arranged the funds.....n with the development of the jf 17 n with the induction of j 10 n soon j 31......

Now we know the reason why

 

[harpy1]

If they wanted u.s/ europeans fighters that badly....as per you..... then they would have bought them.

The Americans offered f 16 ...... PAF wanted to buy them from the CSF that the u.s owed Pakistan but the Americans wanted PAF to pay from loans that it was offering or from its own funds.
Same is the case with the European fighters.
Wt the above showed was that PAF was not really keen in acquiring western fighters....otherwise it would have arranged the funds.....n with the development of the jf 17 n with the induction of j 10 n soon j 31......

Now we know the reason why

Saudi Arabia tells Pakistan: No more easy money

Saudi Arabia and the IMF are both demanding economic reforms from Pakistan, with the kingdom no longer prepared to bailout Islamabad

www.middleeasteye.net

Now you understand my reservation

 

[harpy1]

Saudi refuses Pakistan interest-free loan

Saudi Arabia has recently declined to offer Pakistan an easy financial rescue or interest-free loans, reports The Economic Times.

www.tbsnews.net

Your economic woes are well documented...This is why I take tall.claims of 100 j10 and j31 with a huge pinch of salt

Infact I would not be surprised if no more j10c are inducted full stop

With out money you cannot buy acquire large no's of modern any thing ..