Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder Bags Another Fighter Deal, Media Says; India’s LCA Tejas Banks On Massive IAF Contract

[Cryptonian]

good for you, decade after pakistan did that.

What rubbish are you talking about, Pakistan just got AESA equipped squadron last year , future of old 140 BLK-1 -2 is uncertain.

India skipped Pakistani goals and went directly for better goal AESA.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Fifty-eight per cent of the JF-17 airframe, including its front fuselage, wings, and vertical stabilizer, is produced in Pakistan, whereas forty-two percent is produced in China, with the final assembly and serial production taking place in Pakistan.
Now if you consider that a less of a achievement than your tejas stands equal in its so called indigenous development. The only difference is tejas is not valued by the outside world . The way you developed it, assembled it,marketed it .It's a failure in the global arms market. While on the other hand Jf17 thunder has proven its metal. It has seen real combat ,has buyers outside PAF.

Provide the source of your information. The Su-30MKI is entirely produced in India and features an Indian mission computer, Indian weapons, and is currently being upgraded with an Indian radar.

The Tejas is completely manufactured in India, with India holding the intellectual property rights. This allows for extensive modifications and the creation of new versions. components can be easily replaced; the engine, currently the only critical imported component, is expected to be replaced by an indigenous engine within the next ten years.

 

[mulj]

What rubbish are you talking about, Pakistan just got AESA equipped squadron last year , future of old 140 BLK-1 -2 is uncertain.

India skipped Pakistani goals and went directly for better goal AESA.

i am talking facts, indian based AESA is better goal? do not make me laugh anymore.

 

[Guru Dutt]

so f-16 is not modern 4 generation fighter, good to know.

are you joking ...????

F16 is the best fighter jet ever produced but it needs constant upgrades and in form BLK52 onwards need new source codes before every few flights or missions which PAF is not getting propely or systmeticlly ever since Osama Bin Laden was found there and salalla check post fiasco or the raymond davis affair hapenned and when the dust on them settelled USA went back from AFPAK region and niether PA nor PAF had any great use for USA or USAF hence they are niether getting new weapons nor training or new source codes for F16s and forget new software upgrades

but LCA fpor sure is getting the best money can buy LRUs and avionics and softwares and weapons or missiles from Israel , UK and France and USA while rest we are making in house with collobration or owr own parellel R&D or amix of both and new LCA MK1A has npw ASRAAM and IDERBY ER combo with GRIFFIN II , SPIKE II family and PAVEWAY II Family ,JDAM and KH series of air to ground missiles and french AASM series

so we are for sure to start but wont be the last to finish

 

[Cryptonian]

i am talking facts, indian based AESA is better goal, do not laugh me anymore.

Laugh at your own ignorance.
Indian radar is liquid cooled more modern vs Pakistani(CHinese) air cooled.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

and it is not outdated, you logic is flawed, if something is designed in contemporary time it does not have modern label per se.

F16 is an outdated design, Tejas, Gripen, Rafales, Euro fighter, J10C are modern designs

 

[mulj]

are you joking ...????

F16 is the best fighter jet ever produced but it needs constant upgrades and in form BLK52 onwards need new source codes before every few flights or missions which PAF is not getting propely or systmeticlly ever since Osama Bin Laden was found there and salalla check post fiasco or the raymond davis affair hapenned and when the dust on them settelled USA went back from AFPAK region and niether PA nor PAF had any great use for USA or USAF hence they are niether getting new weapons nor training or new source codes for F16s and forget new software upgrades

but LCA fpor sure is getting the best money can buy LRUs and avionics and softwares and weapons or missiles from Israel , UK and France and USA while rest we are making in house with collobration or owr own parellel R&D or amix of both and new LCA MK1A has npw ASRAAM and IDERBY ER combo with GRIFFIN II , SPIKE II family and PAVEWAY II Family ,JDAM and KH series of air to ground missiles and french AASM series

so we are for sure to start but wont be the last to finish

no joke, by your countrymen logic f-16 has outdated airframe just because it is designed in 60ties.

 

[Guru Dutt]

all marketing points without any merit in field, so far you produced only 40 or so of that plane.

dose that matter we are not going to war any time soon

besides LCA will always be fighting behind the shadows of big boys of IAF like270-Su30 MKI , Upgraded 80-Jaguars or60 -Mig29 or54 -Mirage2000 while PAF has only 18 BLK 52s and 42 -50 of turkich upgraded BLK 40/42 F16s even if you do not count 36 Rafales or 40 LCAs as of now

and within couple of years if they have say 50 more BLK III JF17s we also getting same ammount of MK1As //... so cheers mate

 

[mulj]

F16 is an outdated design, Tejas, Gripen, Rafales, Euro fighter, J10C are modern designs

once you catch information in your brain that laws of physics can not be outdated you can come back with answer.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

dose that matter we are not going to war any time soon

besides LCA will always be fighting behind the shadows of big boys of IAF like270-Su30 MKI , Upgraded 80-Jaguars or60 -Mig29 or54 -Mirage2000 while PAF has only 18 BLK 52s and 42 -50 of turkich upgraded BLK 40/42 F16s even if you do not count 36 Rafales or 40 LCAs as of now

and within couple of years if they have say 50 more BLK III JF17s we also getting same ammount of MK1As //... so cheers mate

The LCA Tejas MK1A is being deployed at forward bases, similar to the past deployment of the Mig-21s, positioning it to confront Pakistani F-16s

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

once you catch information in your brain that laws of physics can not be outdated you can come back with answer.

Technology evolves over time, leading to the phasing out of older fighter jets and the design and development of new ones. For instance, the Mig-21 cannot be equipped with the avionics of the Tejas MK1A, nor can the Mirage 2000 adopt the avionics of the Rafale. These modifications are complex; even minor changes to the airframe require extensive analysis. there is a limit to how much an airframe can be modified.

 

[Guru Dutt]

no joke, by your countrymen logic f-16 has outdated airframe just because it is designed in 60ties.

well anyone can say anything ... dose not means he is factually correct !!!

now time has prooven there is nothing that comes even close to F16 then be it Mirage2000s or be it Fulkrums or be it Flankers or there cheap chinese copies certainly not the LCA for sure

but point is in what number and which type of F16 is put up against in which scenario against what type of opposition in which numbers and with what kind of backup

look here i tell you in past PAF was always was a attacking force and if they want to get upper hand or so called edge against India they need some kind of deep strike capability which they cannot as most of there Air bases are located 35 to 180 Km from Indian border and all major Indian targets are from 65 to 350 and beyond KMs inside india but almoista all have multi layered and multi band 3D and 4D AESA based radar network that again is protected by at least five layers of differnt medium and long and very long rane SAM systems like S300 PMU /S400 BARAK LR/MR indian BMD & PAD and then many others like SPYDER SAM or BARAK MR or AKAASH AKAASK NG or all those french and ex soviet upgraded systems

point is F16 pilots are trained to fight till 30 to 60 minutes while Su30 MKI pilots are trained to fight till 180 to 240 minutes and same way Mig29 pilots can stay in for 90 to 120 minutes so dose Mirage and jaguar pilots and all of them then graduate ... well the very best to LCA or rafale

which means a PAF pilot at post can stay comfortable in cockpitt for 60 to 90 minutes while a IAF pilot almost double that time and an indian pilot has home advantage and luxury to land on varius nation highways on more than twoand half dozen air strips along the border while PAF pilot will be almost on a one way ticket in a very very dence SAM network with multiple layers of ground /arostat and airborne radars hounding it

tell me what can a PAF pilot in a non upgraded F16 do in such an envoirment will he even be able to come inside indian air spce forget achive his primarry goals ...???

indian air assets wont even come in picture

 

[Awwad]

The JF-17 is poor man's fighter jet, whereas the Tejas is designed to counter Pakistan's F-16s along the border, serving as the Indian Air Force's frontline aircraft in that region. Among the IAF's fleet, only the Rafales and Tejas are equipped with AESA radar from the outset.

Just imagine the ignorance of these bakhts. Comparing Tejas to F-16 is an insult to F-16. Tejas is designed for only one thing that is to replace mig-21 in IAF. IAF still had more confidence in mig-21 than Tejas because it kept mig-21s and SU-30s in forward bases at their highest air alert against Pakistan after failed balakot strike. If india had even 1% confidence on Tejas, then they could have easily deployed it in Kashmir region or any foward base. But it was intentionally kept away from all the action. As Tejas is not a pure fighter jet, Its a LIFT platform. A JF-17 block 1 will beat Tejas 9 out of 10 times. JF-17 is a pure fighter jet, a combat tested, same one which operated with impunity over Kashmir region in 2019 and SU-30s could do nothing but back off.

All modern 4th Generation fighter jets are delta wing the under development Tejas MK2 of IAF is also delta wing

LOL!! Tejas is the most outdated design currently anywhere in the world. Its exactly 1950's design. JF-17s and F-16s are atleast 2 decades ahead than Tejas. Even a child can understand that such large delta wings are outdated for more than a half a century. Aircraft is terrible in performance with such design at high intensity warfare. Modern designs like Rafales or J-10Cs have different delta wings, their delta wing is not as huge w.r.t fuselage and most importantly they make use of cannards. Only 1950s aircrafts used such full size delta wing. Tejas is 1950s design, its not even debatable.

1950s (Full size Delta wing, earliest fighter jet design)

F-102 (1951 )


Mirage IIIs - late 1950s.
and many other aircrafts of 1950s.
Tejas also use exactly same design from 1950s.


1970s & 80s:
Cropped delta wing design that is used in F-16s and JF-17s

1980s:
Smaller delta wing with Cannards like Rafales, Typhoons, J-10Cs.

 

[mulj]

dose that matter we are not going to war any time soon

besides LCA will always be fighting behind the shadows of big boys of IAF like270-Su30 MKI , Upgraded 80-Jaguars or60 -Mig29 or54 -Mirage2000 while PAF has only 18 BLK 52s and 42 -50 of turkich upgraded BLK 40/42 F16s even if you do not count 36 Rafales or 40 LCAs as of now

and within couple of years if they have say 50 more BLK III JF17s we also getting same ammount of MK1As //... so cheers mate

you are more realistic then rest of the gang.

 

[mulj]

well anyone can say anything ... dose not means he is factually correct !!!

now time has prooven there is nothing that comes even close to F16 then be it Mirage2000s or be it Fulkrums or be it Flankers or there cheap chinese copies certainly not the LCA for sure

but point is in what number and which type of F16 is put up against in which scenario against what type of opposition in which numbers and with what kind of backup

look here i tell you in past PAF was always was a attacking force and if they want to get upper hand or so called edge against India they need some kind of deep strike capability which they cannot as most of there Air bases are located 35 to 180 Km from Indian border and all major Indian targets are from 65 to 350 and beyond KMs inside india but almoista all have multi layered and multi band 3D and 4D AESA based radar network that again is protected by at least five layers of differnt medium and long and very long rane SAM systems like S300 PMU /S400 BARAK LR/MR indian BMD & PAD and then many others like SPYDER SAM or BARAK MR or AKAASH AKAASK NG or all those french and ex soviet upgraded systems

point is F16 pilots are trained to fight till 30 to 60 minutes while Su30 MKI pilots are trained to fight till 180 to 240 minutes and same way Mig29 pilots can stay in for 90 to 120 minutes so dose Mirage and jaguar pilots and all of them then graduate ... well the very best to LCA or rafale

which means a PAF pilot at post can stay comfortable in cockpitt for 60 to 90 minutes while a IAF pilot almost double that time and an indian pilot has home advantage and luxury to land on varius nation highways on more than twoand half dozen air strips along the border while PAF pilot will be almost on a one way ticket in a very very dence SAM network with multiple layers of ground /arostat and airborne radars hounding it

tell me what can a PAF pilot in a non upgraded F16 do in such an envoirment will he even be able to come inside indian air spce forget achive his primarry goals ...???

indian air assets wont even come in picture

that one is outdated scenario when airforces indeed were carriers of hard punches, next potential war will put huge limitations on both sides due density of sensors and AD.