Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder Bags Another Fighter Deal, Media Says; India’s LCA Tejas Banks On Massive IAF Contract

[Guru Dutt]

The LCA Tejas MK1A is being deployed at forward bases, similar to the past deployment of the Mig-21s, positioning it to confront Pakistani F-16s

LCA MK1A is deployed on forward bases as it has a major FEAR Factor in PAF as you always fear most about which you dont know or redicule most

LCA has a very low frontal RCS and couplled by ample use of RAM coatings and new onboard EW and jammer POD it will be very very diffult to pinpoint it till its almost turning back after locking its missiles onto the target which was there to hunt it down

and deu to those capabillities LCA which is intigrated with SPIKE II and AASM family of smart precission munations can do first precission strike in SEAD & DEAD role aswell even its MK1 verssion is very leathal in that role

 

[mulj]

Technology evolves over time, leading to the phasing out of older fighter jets and the design and development of new ones. For instance, the Mig-21 cannot be equipped with the avionics of the Tejas MK1A, nor can the Mirage 2000 adopt the avionics of the Rafale. These modifications are complex; even minor changes to the airframe require extensive analysis. there is a limit to how much an airframe can be modified.

it is contradictory statement f-16 is equipped and could be equipped with equipment that you can only dream of at the moment, you stick to the wing design as it is whole picture for modern airplane.

 

[kaku]

Just imagine the ignorance of these bakhts. Comparing Tejas to F-16 is an insult to F-16. Tejas is designed for only one thing that is to replace mig-21 in IAF. IAF still had more confidence in mig-21 than Tejas because it kept mig-21s and SU-30s in forward bases at their highest air alert against Pakistan after failed balakot strike. If india had even 1% confidence on Tejas, then they could have easily deployed it in Kashmir region or any foward base. But it was intentionally kept away from all the action. As Tejas is not a pure fighter jet, Its a LIFT platform. A JF-17 block 1 will beat Tejas 9 out of 10 times. JF-17 is a pure fighter jet, a combat tested, same one which operated with impunity over Kashmir region in 2019 and SU-30s could do nothing but back off.



LOL!! Tejas is the most outdated design currently anywhere in the world. Its exactly 1950's design. JF-17s and F-16s are atleast 2 decades ahead than Tejas. Even a child can understand that such large delta wings are outdated for more than a half a century. Aircraft is terrible in performance with such design at high intensity warfare. Modern designs like Rafales or J-10Cs have different delta wings, their delta wing is not as huge w.r.t fuselage and most importantly they make use of cannards. Only 1950s aircrafts used such full size delta wing. Tejas is 1950s design, its not even debatable.

1950s (Full size Delta wing, earliest fighter jet design)

F-102 (1951 )
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Mirage IIIs - late 1950s.
and many other aircrafts of 1950s.
Tejas also use exactly same design from 1950s.


1970s & 80s:
Cropped delta wing design that is used in F-16s and JF-17s

1980s:
Smaller delta wing with Cannards like Rafales, Typhoons, J-10Cs.

Tejas Mk1A sensors going to be superior than Block 52, in anykind of comparision possible, but inferior than Block 70.

 

[Awwad]

The Su-30MKI is entirely produced in India and features an Indian mission computer, Indian weapons, and is currently being upgraded with an Indian radar.

The Tejas is completely manufactured in India, with India holding the intellectual property rights. This allows for extensive modifications and the creation of new versions. components can be easily replaced; the engine, currently the only critical imported component, is expected to be replaced by an indigenous engine within the next ten years.

hahahaha!

This is hilarrious & outrageous. How come such ignorant bakhts are allowed to roam freely. All those typical bakht mentality claims are done & dusted so many times but yet we have to educate them all over again. Their claims of JF-17 as an old design but Tejas as modern design LOL!. I already slapped the facts on his face in previous post regarding that one. Now time to educate you here.

SU-30 Vs JF-17 manufacturing

These delusional bakhts bring SU-30 manufacturing and start comparing it with JF-17. FFS!. I mean absolute lack of common sense & IQ. How on earth you can even compare a liscence production with ownership. Pakistan owns JF-17 project. Its the owner of the program. Pakistan's PAC & China's CATIC both are 50% partners in it. Pakistan can modify, sell or do whatever it want with JF-17. Even if China sell JF-17s to any country, Pakistan will still get the profit. Would India get any profit if Russia sells SU-30 to anyone? India is only a customer for SU-30 that's all. India cannot do anything to it let alone sell to any country. Try to grasp the concept of liscence production. India was nowhere part of program when Russia was designing and developing SU-30. Pakistan started JF-17 project, it was part of conceptulization, it was part of design phase, Pakistan contributed 50% of amount in Research & development of JF-17. Only bakhts with no mental capacity bring in Su-30 manufacting and compare it with Pakistan's own JF-17 project. Now don't ridicule yourself ever again bring such things. You can thank me for educating you.

As far as Tejas is concerned, yes you can compare Tejas with JF-17 as Tejas is product of India. But just like JF-17s, it has parts from other countries. Most critical / most important part of fighter jet is its engine. Complexity wise its more than 50% of the work of entire platform. So half of that is already american in Tejas. Rest we know Tejas use European, British, Israeli components as well. Then those parts along with engine are assembled & manufactured in india. Only smaller, less significant parts are built in india. India is nowhere close getting full capability to develop engine of a 4th gen fighter, let alone a complete fighter in-house.

 

[kaku]

hahahaha!

This is hilarrious & outrageous. How come such ignorant bakhts are allowed to roam freely. All those typical bakht mentality claims are done & dusted so many times but yet we have to educate them all over again. Their claims of JF-17 as an old design but Tejas as modern design LOL!. I already slapped the facts on his face in previous post regarding that one. Now time to educate you here.

SU-30 Vs JF-17 manufacturing

These delusional bakhts bring SU-30 manufacturing and start comparing it with JF-17. FFS!. I mean absolute lack of common sense & IQ. How on earth you can even compare a liscence production with ownership. Pakistan owns JF-17 project. Its the owner of the program. Pakistan's PAC & China's CATIC both are 50% partners in it. Pakistan can modify, sell or do whatever it want with JF-17. Even if China sell JF-17s to any country, Pakistan will still get the profit. Would India get any profit if Russia sells SU-30 to anyone? India is only a customer for SU-30 that's all. India cannot do anything to it let alone sell to any country. Try to grasp the concept of liscence production. India was nowhere part of program when Russia was designing and developing SU-30. Pakistan started JF-17 project, it was part of conceptulization, it was part of design phase, Pakistan contributed 50% of amount in Research & development of JF-17. Only bakhts with no mental capacity bring in Su-30 manufacting and compare it with Pakistan's own JF-17 project. Now don't ridicule yourself ever again bring such things. You can thank me for educating you.

As far as Tejas is concerned, yes you can compare Tejas with JF-17 as Tejas is product of India. But just like JF-17s, it has parts from other countries. Most critical / most important part of fighter jet is its engine. Complexity wise its more than 50% of the work of entire platform. So half of that is already american in Tejas. Rest we know Tejas use European, British, Israeli components as well. Then those parts along with engine are assembled & manufactured in india. Only smaller, less significant parts are built in india. India is nowhere close getting full capability to develop engine of a 4th gen fighter, let alone a complete fighter in-house.

And still unable to engineer JF-17's MC and FCC. We are quite happy with license production, you keep focusing on ownership.

 

[Guru Dutt]

But it was intentionally kept away from all the action. As Tejas is not a pure fighter jet, Its a LIFT platform. A JF-17 block 1 will beat Tejas 9 out of 10 times.

just for record The avrage RCS of JF17 is close to 3msqu while LCA RCS is .5 msqu and the loaded ones have 5 msqu for JF17 wile 3squ for LCA

now LCA has a better EL2052 liquid cooled AESA that can track 3squ metre target from 150Km and will lock its ASTRA MK1 or I DERBY ER BVR as soon at it comes almost in range while air cooled KJL-2AA on JF17 BLK III can only track a LCA from 90-105Km by then already couple of I Derby ER or Astra MK1 BVRs will be locked onto it

also LCA for sure be getting NETRA or Phalcon backhand cover and LCA too has Software defined radios and two way DATALINK which Mig21 on Feb27 did not had .... LCA is not Mig21 do not forget that and RCS of LCA is less than 1/4th as that of Mig21 dont forget that

these are just some facts you can check the boucher of Chinese ASEA against Israeli AESA and the ranges of both and the RCS of both planes yourself if you dont agree with me .... cheers mate

 

[Awwad]

And still unable to engineer JF-17's MC and FCC. We are quite happy with license production, you keep focusing on ownership.

Only a fool will compare liscence production with ownership. Both cannot be compared at all. India didn't contribute financially or otherwise when Su-30s were being conceptualized, designed and developed. India is only a user of SU-30. That's all.

You can compare only Tejas with JF-17 as both are owned projects of respective countries. Here you can argue that look we make more parts than you or whatever. We can argue on that how many parts exactly india manufactures. Whatever it manufactures is less than 50%, because engine alone is more than half of entire platform. Engine alone has 1000s of components. The whole engine is shipped to india. Then there are other components like Ejection seat, Israeli electronics etc.

 

[Awwad]

LCA MK1A is deployed on forward bases as it has a major FEAR Factor in PAF as you always fear most about which you dont know or redicule most

LCA has a very low frontal RCS and couplled by ample use of RAM coatings and new onboard EW and jammer POD it will be very very diffult to pinpoint it till its almost turning back after locking its missiles onto the target which was there to hunt it down

and deu to those capabillities LCA which is intigrated with SPIKE II and AASM family of smart precission munations can do first precission strike in SEAD & DEAD role aswell even its MK1 verssion is very leathal in that role

hahahahahaaa!! Thank you bro for superb jokes

@Waz @Mr.X @RescueRanger Guys can we highlight this comment somewhere please? This should be at top of forum as "Joke of the day"

 

[Guru Dutt]

that one is outdated scenario when airforces indeed were carriers of hard punches, next potential war will put huge limitations on both sides due density of sensors and AD.

well all the equipment and air to air weapons of PAF are outdated and those that they got from USA in 2005 till 2010 only nominal software upgrades had been allowed and that too were done by US experts physiclly who were present on those bases where BLK52s were kept ... and due to that kind of strings attached India is reluctant to but USAs F21/F16 latest verssion tailor made for IAF or F35 L II which both are bieng pushed for years by Biden administration

 

[kaku]

Only a fool will compare liscence production with ownership. Both cannot be compared at all. India didn't contribute financially or otherwise when Su-30s were being conceptualized, designed and developed. India is only a user of SU-30. That's all.

You can compare only Tejas with JF-17 as both are owned projects of respective countries. Here you can argue that look we make more parts than you or whatever. We can argue on that how many parts exactly india manufactures. Whatever it manufactures is less than 50%, because engine alone is more than half of entire platform. Engine alone has 1000s of components. The whole engine is shipped to india. Then there are other components like Ejection seat, Israeli electronics etc.

Indeed, that's why PAF failed to engineer there own MC and FCC. Just ask your senior members ,where JF-17's iron bird is, and how Chinese charge exorbitantly for even small changes in FCC.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Only a fool will compare liscence production with ownership. Both cannot be compared at all. India didn't contribute financially or otherwise when Su-30s were being conceptualized, designed and developed. India is only a user of SU-30. That's all.

You can compare only Tejas with JF-17 as both are owned projects of respective countries. Here you can argue that look we make more parts than you or whatever. We can argue on that how many parts exactly india manufactures. Whatever it manufactures is less than 50%, because engine alone is more than half of entire platform. Engine alone has 1000s of components. The whole engine is shipped to india. Then there are other components like Ejection seat, Israeli electronics etc.

lolzz we desigen LCA in house tested all its FBW to misssion compouters and all flight parameters and sub systems and LRUs and now m,aking most of them only Radar , HMD, HUD , ejection seat , engine and quartz rodome is coming from outside ...... tell me what products of JF17 were tested and devloped in pakistan and then made in house its nothing more than a scerwdriver & paint job at PAC kamra and you are compairing it to tejas ... ... kahan se latte ho itna confidence .. well i want that stuff your smoking

 

[Awwad]

Indeed, that's why PAF failed to engineer there own MC and FCC. Just ask your senior members ,where JF-17's iron bird is, and how Chinese charge exorbitantly for even small changes in FCC.

That's entirely different topic. The point is licence production cannot be compared with owned project. You can't relate the whole program around a specific module. Nobody is stopping Pakistan doing anything in JF-17 program, and most likely they are bringing lot of changes through PFX program too. However, india can't do a thing to SU-30, it can't sell it, it can't make profits if Russia sell SU-30s to anyone. Totally different things. Both are not comparable at all. Why its so hard to understand ?

 

[Guru Dutt]

hahahahahaaa!! Thank you bro for superb jokes

@Waz @Mr.X @RescueRanger Guys can we highlight this comment somewhere please? This should be at top of forum as "Joke of the day"

 

[JohnWick]

well all the equipment and air to air weapons of PAF are outdated and those that they got from USA in 2005 till 2010 only nominal software upgrades had been allowed and that too were done by US experts physiclly who were present on those bases where BLK52s were kept ... and due to that kind of strings attached India is reluctant to but USAs F21/F16 latest verssion tailor made for IAF or F35 L II which both are bieng pushed for years by Biden administration

Lol the ones which uses Russian junk like r-77 are barking
Whats wrong with ya homie
F-35 is your last hope Go and do what your us daddy says
Although they are possibly not going to sell F-35 to india I Mean who the hell wants his premier product to be crashed here and there

 

[Guru Dutt]

r, india can't do a thing to SU-30, it can't sell it

guess what we are already upgrading Su30 MKI with Indian GaN based AESA radar and self protection jammers and EW suits and even intigrated most western avionics and weapons like ASRAAM , MICA Twins in a russian platform that was never ever done and even tweaked its engine to squezee out more power and still making it a bit more relaible