Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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j_hungary said:
Honestly, I don't......

You said Hamas won the war, and then say this is Israel Genocide project........

So, unless you are claiming it's Hamas goal to have Israel genocide its own people, that's nothing to win. And if Israeli can just go murder Gazan in a genocidal kind of way, then how exactly Hamas won the war??
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Hamas cannot wage war. Hamas can make a stand only. Israel wages war to maintain its brutal occupation. Palestinians do not have a army, economy, or allies to wage a war.

Gaza is not a nation nor state and can't wage war. Please enlighten us in what way is this is a war. Israel has been blockading and imposing a siege on Gaza for twenty years. Palestinians broke out of the jail for a brief period. Israel doesn't want Palestinians to gain independence and resorts to killing them/violently occupying them to prevent Palestinian statehood. That's not war.
 
GoMig-21 said:
CNN BREAKING NEWS:

BIDEN LIVE PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUCING ISRAEL HAS OFFERED A "ROAD MAP" TO CEASEFIRE.

This is huge if Biden is making an impromptu announcement. More details to come. Sounds like they've finally put the pressure on the zionist pigs to end the massacre.
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It is in western interests to put their rabid dog to sleep.

Israel needs to go now, their society is too sick to be part of the civilised nations.
 
GoMig-21 said:
CNN BREAKING NEWS:

BIDEN LIVE PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUCING ISRAEL HAS OFFERED A "ROAD MAP" TO CEASEFIRE.

This is huge if Biden is making an impromptu announcement. More details to come. Sounds like they've finally put the pressure on the zionist pigs to end the massacre.
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Hamas MUST not release the POWs unless the occupation has both released its own hostages and also totally withdrawn from Gaza.

There must also be an international guarantee(US/Europe/Russia/China etc) that the ceasefire is permanent.

This could be a trap and I am sure Hamas will not fall for it.
 
BREAKING: Biden announces new ceasefire proposal in live speech

Biden says that Israel has offered a new ceasefire proposal. This is three-phase roadmap to a permanent ceasefire and the release of all hostages

Phase 1: The first phase will last six weeks with a complete ceasefire and withdrawal of Israeli forces from populated areas of Gaza. During the six weeks of phase one, Israel and Hamas would negotiate to get to phase two which is a permanent end to hostilities. If negotiations take more than 6 weeks, the ceasefire will continue as long as talks continue.

Phase 2: The second phase would be a "formal permanent end to hostilities" and the release of all the remaining live hostages.

Phase 3: Phase three would include the reparation of the Gaza Strip. This phase would also include the return of the remains of the hostages who died in Hamas captivity.

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If he says Israel has offered it, onus is on Hamas to accept. It should do so immediately.
 
j_hungary said:
Well, I have fed my cat, so I am going to bed soon.

I will just leave this post with this.

The international community only have the appetite to protect Palestinian, not Hamas. Even with the latest ICJ ruling, it didn't say the war should stop, instead they said Israel right for self-defence is undebatable, but they would need to protect the civilian when they attack Hamas.
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You cannot attack and protect people at the same time. Israel's campaign caused unparalleled levels of destruction even surpassing WW2 levels of destruction. It means they were trying to ravage and collectively destroy all semblance of life in Gaza, including it's civilian population. International community is demanding Israel stop it's genocide. Not to protect civilians. When you carpet bomb entities cities, bomb all infrastructure and hospitals, and even storm hospitals, massacring babies living on incubators, then you're not doing fighting, you're committing acts of genocide and mass murder.
 
GoMig-21 said:
CNN BREAKING NEWS:

BIDEN LIVE PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUCING ISRAEL HAS OFFERED A "ROAD MAP" TO CEASEFIRE.

This is huge if Biden is making an impromptu announcement. More details to come. Sounds like they've finally put the pressure on the zionist pigs to end the massacre.
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Lets see what this "Roadmap" offers to Gaza and the cause of Palestine. No references to Hostages held by Israel it seems.
 
Persian Gulf said:
BREAKING: Biden announces new ceasefire proposal in live speech

Biden says that Israel has offered a new ceasefire proposal. This is three-state roadmap to a permanent ceasefire and the release of all hostages

Phase 1: The first phase will last six weeks with a complete ceasefire and withdrawal of Israeli forces from populated areas of Gaza. During the six weeks of phase one, Israel and Hamas would negotiate to get to phase two which is a permanent end to hostilities. If negotiations take more than 6 weeks, the ceasefire will continue as long as talks continue.

Phase 2: The second phase would be a "formal permanent end to hostilities" and the release of all the remaining live hostages.

Phase 3: Phase three would include the reparation of the Gaza Strip. This phase would also include the return of the remains of the hostages who died in Hamas captivity.

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If he says Israel has offered it, onus is on Hamas to accept. It should do so immediately.
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Biden lies a lot. This is the same ceasefire Hamas agreed to few weeks ago. Suddenly Israel and Biden administration rejected it and blamed Hamas somehow. Hamas has stated it will agree to a actual ceasefire, not a pause.

Also Palestinian hostages must be released by Israel. Even if there is a ceasefire, Israel will be indicted on crimes of genocide and sanctioned. Israel won't be allowed to whitewash what it did.
 
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Indos said:
Where is the source ? The killing happen after Hamas stupid 7 Oct attack.

Why are you so fool by keep supporting this Hamas movement that bring nothing than destruction to Palestinian people
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No, Israel was heavily attacking the West Bank all year long. Attacking Jerusalem, and also attacking Gaza and violating ceasefire terms. They refused to allow Qatari aid and fuel into Gaza at numerous points blaming Gaza for West Bank resistance.
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Here is report from early 2023, it got worse up to October:
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2023 becomes deadliest year for Palestinians in the West Bank as Israeli military launches fresh attack on Jenin​


The Israeli military has launched another attack on Jenin refugee camp in the northern West Bank, killing eight Palestinians and injuring 50 more, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health. As of 3pm local time on Monday 3 July, ten people remain in a critical condition.


 
GoMig-21 said:
You know what the definition of a "tool bag" is?
That guy right there. As a matter of fact, a tool bag has more dignity than this scum-sucking slimeball because at least it can hold a few tools without ripping apart. This guy, doesn't take much grease to lube his dignity right down the crap hole.


@j_hungary & @Indos , please listen to Yahya Sinwar answers to these questions about the exact topic we're all discussing and why Hamas is fighting the way it is.



And there you go. You're starting to see it. If they have no other option, what is there for them to do? Isn't that what Yahya Sinwar said in that clip above? It's making more sense, isn't it? He said it himself about as simply as he could - "what else can we do?" That's the bottom line.



I see that you're starting to see it. You're coming around, my friend. Even if you don't agree with the concept, that wasn't the point. The point was for you to at least understand why they're forced to do what they're doing despite the results in the field which is what you originally were prognosticating about. The strategic goals, the percentages of the goals, the weighing of results of tactical actions and all those great and necessary military points which are fine in conventional warfare, but not with this religious resistance. The distinction is what I was trying to convey to you, and it seems like that's the case.



Those are obviously ones who don't have any family members held as hostages. Obviously they would be in the other percentile if they did.



Oh no! We're back to not getting it? Nothing meaningful? Haven't you seen practically the entire world turning against this demon entity? How exposed they've become? How their crimes have been seen by the entire world? The economic, logistic, social, religious and many more impacts that have been greatly affecting that demon entity are huge benefits to Hamas & the Palestinian people.

Again, bro, it's not about the strategic field gains we've been through that. It's about a lot more than that and it's showing.



What do you think about how Yahya Sinwar answered those same exact questions you're asking.
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Here he warned the world leaders and international community if they don't stop israel abuse of Gaza there will be a war that will change the world..

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As suspected, Biden is lying. Israel continues to reject a ceasefire. Israel and the US are trying to force recognition of Israel and trade with Israel without Israel committing to the two state solution:
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Urgent | Biden: The agreement will allow Israel to integrate into the region and reach a historic normalization agreement with #Saudi Arabia

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UKBengali said:
Hamas MUST not release the POWs unless the occupation has both released its own hostages and also totally withdrawn from Gaza.
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Do you think any of the hostages are alive at this point? I'm seriously asking not busting balls or anything like that because I have my doubts TBH.
 
Falcon29 said:
As suspected, Biden is lying. Israel continues to reject a ceasefire. Israel and the US are trying to force recognition of Israel and trade with Israel without Israel committing to the two state solution:
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Urgent | Biden: The agreement will allow Israel to integrate into the region and reach a historic normalization agreement with #Saudi Arabia

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As I said. There is not even a ceasefire proposal at all. It's entirely fabricated. The plan is to continue the genocide on Gaza and the West Bank. To ethnically cleanse the entire population. While also try reaping benefits for Israel for committing the most atrocious genocide in modern history. And blame Hamas for it in the process:
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Urgent | Biden: If Hamas rejects the new Israeli proposal, Israel will continue its war in Gaza

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