HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[MirageBlue]

In year 2008 Indian Air Force has officially stated that they rejected F-16 because it is an old and outdated fighter jet that doesn't meet their requirements.

You are putting it in the wrong terms.

There was no "old and outdated fighter" statement made by anyone who evaluated the F-16 Block 60 that was brought to India for the MRCA evaluations.

They just scored the F-16 lower than Rafale and Eurofighter, which is natural. And then they only went for the top 2 for the final shortlist, at which point of time the financial bids were opened and the winner declared.

 

[Deino]

You have dismissed the specifications of the Tejas released by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, claiming that HAL knows nothing about Tejas.

You are such a stupid liar!

I never questioned anything. I only questioned your interpretation aka „Tejas Mk2 is better than XYZ since it can carry 8 AAMs and 2 Barhmos-NG“.

Again you are just posting any lie, any propaganda as long as it fits your agend and in fact I‘m not sure if you are just a troll - therefore you ban on the SDF - or a 14 year old stupid fan-boy who cannot better understand.

 

[MirageBlue]

Eurofighter is superior to the Rafale, and no one can deny that. But, F-16 is outdated and the Indian Air Force has stated it's an outdated junk platform. Just because F-16 is cheap doesn't mean it's good.

That's a load of bunkum.

The Rafale was considered the superior fighter overall. Better in terms of it's cockpit, Situational Awareness, EW suite as well as air to surface missions with higher payload and range. It was just considered a very well rounded and very well designed fighter.

The Eurofighter didn't have an AESA while the Rafale was flying with the RBE2 AESA since more than a decade. It is only now that Eurofighters in Kuwait are entering service with AESA and AESA is offered for exports with Captor E.

Even as of now, many of the partner nations don't have a clear roadmap for when their existing Tranche 2 Eurofighters will get AESA.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

You are putting it in the wrong terms.

There was no "old and outdated fighter" statement made by anyone who evaluated the F-16 Block 60 that was brought to India for the MRCA evaluations.

They just scored the F-16 lower than Rafale and Eurofighter, which is natural. And then they only went for the top 2 for the final shortlist, at which point of time the financial bids were opened and the winner declared.

The IAF, as well as retired IAF pilots and many defense analysts, have referred to the F-16 as "obsolete."

Pentagon chief to push ‘obsolete’ F-16 deal during India visit

As the Pentagon chief visits India this week, a potential F-16 fighter jet deal worth billions of dollars has come center-staged, with analysts speculating if the deal is a US bid to offload

news.cgtn.com

Bharat Karnad an emeritus professor in National Security Studies at the Centre for Policy Research, Delhi called F16 a “Flying Lemon”

A Flying Lemon

The anger and angst in Washington policy circles when the US fighter planes — the Lockheed Martin F-16IN and the Boeing F-18 Super Hornet — did not make it to the Indian Air Force’s Med…

bharatkarnad.com

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

That's a load of bunkum.

The Rafale was considered the superior fighter overall. Better in terms of it's cockpit, Situational Awareness, EW suite as well as air to surface missions with higher payload and range. It was just considered a very well rounded and very well designed fighter.

The Eurofighter didn't have an AESA while the Rafale was flying with the RBE2 AESA since more than a decade. It is only now that Eurofighters in Kuwait are entering service with AESA and AESA is offered for exports with Captor E.

Even as of now, many of the partner nations don't have a clear roadmap for when their existing Tranche 2 Eurofighters will get AESA.

Wrong, Rafale and Eurofighter were shortlisted by the IAF based on their superior technical specifications. The decision to purchase the Rafale was made by the Indian government, not the IAF.

Rafale, Eurofighter to fight it out over IAF MMRCA order

Others, such as America's Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Sweden's Saab, Russia's Migoyan, the makers of MIG, have been told that their aircraft are no longer in contention.

m.economictimes.com

Similarly, the Indian Navy shortlisted the F-18 and Rafale M, and the Indian government decided to purchase the Rafale M.

Government will decide between F/A-18 Super Hornet, Rafale M: Navy chief

Rafale M has commonality with Rafales of the Air Force in terms of spares and support, Admiral R. Hari Kumar noted

www.thehindu.com

IAF does not negotiate the price or make the purchase; they only shortlist aircraft based on technical specifications.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

You are such a stupid liar!

I never questioned anything. I only questioned your interpretation aka „Tejas Mk2 is better than XYZ since it can carry 8 AAMs and 2 Barhmos-NG“.

Again you are just posting any lie, any propaganda as long as it fits your agend and in fact I‘m not sure if you are just a troll - therefore you ban on the SDF - or a 14 year old stupid fan-boy who cannot better understand.

You have been denying the technical specifications of the Tejas from the very beginning. You even claimed that GaAs radar is superior to GaN, and that there is no difference between air-cooled and liquid-cooled AESA radars. You keep making these incorrect assertions, and when someone points out your errors, you resort to abusive language and name-calling instead of addressing the inaccuracies.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

The IAF has a bias against the F-16 and in general a fear of sanctions from the US that may cripple a large part of it's fighter fleet.

The F-16 Block 70 that was offered in the MRCA contest met most of the requirements and would've been one of the most affordable contenders, but was naturally trumped by the Eurofighter and Rafale in terms of performance. The IAF used that to show the F-16 Block 70 the door and shortlisted the two most expensive and capable fighters in the contest.

It also meant that the MRCA turned into a very expensive deal compared to the earlier benchmark price and then with Dassault refusing to guarantee HAL's work, the deal fell through.

Obsolete is not a term one should use with the F-16 Block 70/F-16V/F-21. They're pretty damn dangerous fighters.

If there had been a fear of sanctions, the Indian Navy would not have shortlisted the Rafale M and F-18.
F-16 was sidelined because it is obsolete..

 

[Deino]

You have been denying the technical specifications of the Tejas from the very beginning. You even claimed that GaAs radar is superior to GaN, and that there is no difference between air-cooled and liquid-cooled AESA radars. You keep making these incorrect assertions, and when someone points out your errors, you resort to abusive language and name-calling instead of addressing the inaccuracies.

again, you are liar! … or again you demonstrate your reading comprehension issues!

Please show where I said this? All I said is that I would not say an Indian radar even if using the more modern and therefore capable material is better or more capable than the French one even ifs it uses older materials/technology.

Agin, thsi shows your nativity, your blind idiocy of thinking „it uses more modern material“ and therefore it is better aka more capable. The Tejas even with a higher percentage of CFK than the F-16 and even with maybe then in several years a decent Indian AESA is not per Se better than an F-16.
Really, we are not playing quartett‘s game but it shows how simple minded you are.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

again, you are liar! … or again you demonstrate your reading comprehension issues!

Please show where I said this? All I said is that I would not say an Indian radar even if using the more modern and therefore capable material is better or more capable than the French one even ifs it uses older materials/technology.

Agin, thsi shows your nativity, your blind idiocy of thinking „it uses more modern material“ and therefore it is better aka more capable. The Tejas even with a higher percentage of CFK than the F-16 and even with maybe then in several years a decent Indian AESA is not per Se better than an F-16.
Really, we are not playing quartett‘s game but it shows how simple minded you are.

You are debating with an early teenage fanboy with no good knowledge and maturity level. That's not your level dear.

"The bad thing with debating a fool is that you need to go to their level to tell them what you mean and then they beat you with their experience in that level."​

............Mark Twain​

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

again, you are liar! … or again you demonstrate your reading comprehension issues!

Please show where I said this? All I said is that I would not say an Indian radar even if using the more modern and therefore capable material is better or more capable than the French one even ifs it uses older materials/technology.

Agin, thsi shows your nativity, your blind idiocy of thinking „it uses more modern material“ and therefore it is better aka more capable. The Tejas even with a higher percentage of CFK than the F-16 and even with maybe then in several years a decent Indian AESA is not per Se better than an F-16.
Really, we are not playing quartett‘s game but it shows how simple minded you are.

Tejas MK1A is more likely to down an F-16 in one-on-one combat. And not just the F-16 but also the Su-30MKI and Mirage 2000 in such scenarios. Only modern fighter jets like the Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Gripen hold an advantage over the Tejas in one-on-one combat. Though Presence of of AWACS and drones could shift the balance in favor of these older jets.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

You are debating with an early teenage fanboy with no good knowledge and maturity level. That's not your level dear.

"The bad thing with debating a fool is that you need to go to their level to tell them what you mean and then they beat you with their experience in that level."​

............Mark Twain​

You might believe the F-16 is the most advanced fighter jet in the world due to US media propaganda and Hollywood movies. But when you look at its technical specifications, the F-16 is actually an outdated fighter jet.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

You might believe the F-16 is the most advanced fighter jet in the world due to US media propaganda and Hollywood movies. when you look at its technical specifications, the F-16 is actually an outdated fighter jet.

What technical information ........ That current F16 B72 is inferior with future planned version of Tejas which will be in service in 20 years later?

Or you are saying in 2040-50 when your Tejas planned MK2 is start appearing at that time current F-16 models will be obsolete ?

You need to mature first. Every country favor F16 over Tejas except India just because of strings attached with F16. Not on the basis of capabilities. Eurofighter and Rafale is better than F16 but Tejas ...... Seriously

 

[MirageBlue]

The IAF, as well as retired IAF pilots and many defense analysts, have referred to the F-16 as "obsolete."

Pentagon chief to push ‘obsolete’ F-16 deal during India visit

As the Pentagon chief visits India this week, a potential F-16 fighter jet deal worth billions of dollars has come center-staged, with analysts speculating if the deal is a US bid to offload

news.cgtn.com

Bharat Karnad an emeritus professor in National Security Studies at the Centre for Policy Research, Delhi called F16 a “Flying Lemon”

A Flying Lemon

The anger and angst in Washington policy circles when the US fighter planes — the Lockheed Martin F-16IN and the Boeing F-18 Super Hornet — did not make it to the Indian Air Force’s Med…

bharatkarnad.com

They're fools to call it obsolete.

The IAF is still flying 2 squadrons of MiG-21 Bisons. Those are obsolete.

It still has 2 squadrons of Jaguar DARIN 2 which are obsolescent (they'll be obsolete in a few years).

F-16s that come with digital FBW, nearly 12,000 hours of airframe life, are 9G capable and are equipped with AESA radar, a modern EW suite, AMRAAMs, AIM-9X, JHMCDS, Sniper targeting pod, and a range of air to ground weapons cannot be called obsolete. That's either out of ignorance or just to make it seem that by not offering the F-35, the USA was offering an inferior fighter (which it is).

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

What technical information ........ That current F16 B72 is inferior with future planned version of Tejas which will be in service in 20 years later?

Or you are saying in 2040-50 when your Tejas planned MK2 is start appearing at that time current F-16 models will be obsolete ?

You need to mature first. Every country favor F16 over Tejas except India just because of strings attached with F16. Not on the basis of capabilities. Eurofighter and Rafale is better than F16 but Tejas ...... Seriously

I am not talking about Tejas MK2 , I am talking about Tejas MK1A which is under production 183 of them have ordered

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

I am not talking about Tejas MK2 , I am talking about Tejas MK1A which is under production 183 of them have ordered

Dear A sincere advise to you. Always compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges.