Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[hussain0216]

Nope. They feel threatened by Iran and its proxies. That is why.

It's because they are authoritarian dictators without legitimacy

Their rule is dependent on western and U.S support

So these leaders sell the honour of their people, history and faith for continued support for their regimes regardless of any crimes


This is why the people of the middle east can absolutely detest Jews and Israeli, but the leaders were eager for the Abraham accords


They do indeed fear Iran, because iran pushes for revolution
But as the last 9 months have proved, Iran has stood up for the Muslim world whilst the Arab states have been pathetic

 

[VCheng]

It's because they are authoritarian dictators without legitimacy

Nope again. It is because of secatarian issues as they perceive them. And it is not just the rulers, but by their populations, which explains why there is no popular uprising against them over this present conflict, despite the horrendous carnage.

 

[FuturePAF]

For all the hysterical hoopla about how AIPAC controls the Congress in this forum, US democracy does work, eventually. Let' see how things progress with this visit and the effect on the conflict thereafter.

If Israel goes into Lebanon, as seems like Biden has given the green light, the conflict may have already escalated before even Netanyahu’s visit.

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[FuturePAF]

You could be right but I so hope that they are still somehow able to smuggle weapons in via sympathetic Egyptian military.

It’s possible, the Egyptians also don’t want Palestinians crossing over. So if they can hold out longer on their own, it could be in Egypt’s interest to keep supplying them.

 

[VCheng]

If Israel goes into Lebanon, as seems like Biden has given the green light, the conflict may have already escalated before even Netanyahu’s visit.

As of now, what you suggest is only a hypothetical scenario.

 

[Falcon29]

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[hussain0216]

Nope again. It is because of secatarian issues as they perceive them. And it is not just the rulers, but by their populations, which explains why there is no popular uprising against them over this present conflict, despite the horrendous carnage.

Their is mass anger amongst numerous populations, but they have been subdued

The Arab spring was a indication of change but was suppressed

But it will come again, the people of the middle east are screaming for change but the leaders are selling them out at the moment

 

[VCheng]

But it will come again, the people of the middle east are screaming for change but the leaders are selling them out at the moment

Next Tuesday, perhaps?

 

[GoMig-21]

But shows Palestinains are determined to survive and refuse to be expelled.

So what's your opinion about the present situation with Hamas and Qassam and their strengths? Does it look like the demons have whittled them down a bit since we haven't seen the level of counter-fighting (or that could be the demons changing tactics from the brutal losses they've faced since the Rafah offensive) and we haven't seen as many rockets either. Do you think Hamas is weakening just a little because of all the above and this here:

Intense fighting in Rafah near end, says Netanyahu​

Either that or he's trying to lighten his load as he's addressing congress sometime soon which is a whole other monstrosity in of itself that this POS gets to speak to the people of this country ibn el sharmouta. And that the tensions between him and Biden with the big debate coming up this Thursday perhaps this is something Biden is putting pressure on shaytanyahu? Hoping Hamas still has some fight in them which I'm sure they do, just to what end and what do you think this represents?

 

[Falcon29]

It looks like Chinese HJ-8 ATGM. Let us and pray the Palestinian mujahideen have plenty of them.

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Thanks for info. Wonder how that got there. Palestinian Resistance does need many more of these, and more modern types. They cannot neutralize Israeli air power. But they can neutralize Israeli armor with the right gear. Something like a Javalein clone, which I believe Iran has of the Israeli spike missile system. It's crucial to disable Israeli armor to halt ground advances.

 

[hussain0216]

Next Tuesday, perhaps?

It might take longer, but you can only suppress the general population for so long before they just get sick and tired and have had enough

 

[VCheng]

It might take longer, but you can only suppress the general population for so long before they just get sick and tired and have had enough

Exactly. If enough people really did want to support the Palestinians in this conflict, nobody can stop them. And yet what we can see is silence and inaction. That alone says it all.

 

[hussain0216]

Exactly. If enough people really did want to support the Palestinians in this conflict, nobody can stop them. And yet what we can see is silence and inaction. That alone says it all.

No they can stop them, that's what dictatorships do, it's what authoritarian regimes do

That bubbling seething anger is apparent right across the Arab and Muslim world, but the leaders don't want to change

And to keep their power they seek western support to help suppress their people

 

[Solomon2]

It might take longer, but you can only suppress the general population for so long before they just get sick and tired and have had enough

A decent Gaza is possible​

But first, the Palestinians must lose

...Israelis and Palestinians jointly revile the ruling Palestinian institutions, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, but before Oct. 7, neither challenged them. Israel preferred the devils it knew, but the Palestinian public lacked the strength to defy them.

Oct. 7 changed the calculus. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and many other of the country’s political, military and intellectual leaders have insistently called for the destruction of Hamas...

Ridded of the foul Hamas and Palestinian Authority, Israel can then rebuild by working with the growing body of Palestinians ready to come to terms with Israel’s existence and seeking to benefit from it...

...it means supporting the voices of moderates and amplifying in Arabic the message of Palestinians calling for an end to a century of futile anti-Zionist negativity. Appreciating Israel’s elections, rule of law, freedom of speech and religion, minority rights, orderly political structure, and other benefits, they want to end futile rejectionism...

Experiencing the bitter crucible of defeat, ironically, will benefit Palestinians even more than Israelis, allowing them finally to emerge from a long miasma of nihilism. Finally they can develop the polity, economy, society and culture worthy of a skilled, dignified and ambitious people. Think of them as a miniature version of the Germans and Japanese...

A decent Gaza is possible

American friends of Israel tend to admire the policies of the Jewish state as heroic and blame foreign governments, especially their own, when Jerusalem makes errors vis-a-vis the Palestinians, notably 1993’s Oslo Accords, 2005’s unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, the catastrophe on Oct...

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[VCheng]

That bubbling seething anger is apparent right across the Arab and Muslim world, but the leaders don't want to change

That is a mere claim made by some. No evidence, yet.