Work begins on India's strategic highway on China frontier in Arunachal Pradesh; will give Indian forces hawk-eye view of LAC

[Joe Shearer]

Not to you though as you can hear clearly

But there are those who talked of BOOMING BIG GUNS
.As if that will terrorised Chinese.

Who can fight and win against bigger guns such as 16 inch guns on battleships with their single shot bolt action rifles, and without Firedragons and twinned taile Scorpions then.

Those kind of people needed education that perhaps might save them more than pulling of ears.

MUCH MUCH BETTER TO BE FRIENDS AND BE PEACEFUL
AND NOT TRY TO RETAIN THINGS STOLEN FROM OTHERS LIKE ZIONIST JEWISH NAZIS

Fine, let's leave that be.

 

[Joe Shearer]

We can go that route and push this thread deeper into the drain, or we can lay off the southern Tibet allusions. Up to you.

@vsdoc - corrected as instructed.

 

[Joe Shearer]

But there are those who talked of BOOMING BIG GUNS
.As if that will terrorised Chinese.

LOL.
To put it in Hindi, what goes of your father if people boom big?

 

[Joe Shearer]

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@DDG-80
@nighthawk
@spammmmr

If you want to see a bit of the culture of that time, there is this lovely, totally fictional account of the Kang Xi emperor that you might enjoy. He was IMO the best of the lot.

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[Beijingwalker]

@Barcid
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If you want to see a bit of the culture of that time, there is this lovely, totally fictional account of the Kang Xi emperor that you might enjoy. He was IMO the best of the lot.

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If for killing time, it's ok. This drama has zero historical facts in it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

If for killing time, it's ok. This drama has zero historical facts in it.

Not zero, there is a shell of reality, but the incidents are obviously madly fictitious. I found the portraying of the Kangxi Emperor very touching, and he is reported to have been a highly cultured, very well read and sensitive man.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Not zero, there is a shell of reality, but the incidents are obviously madly fictitious. I found the portraying of the Kangxi Emperor very touching, and he is reported to have been a highly cultured, very well read and sensitive man.

His older sister is an actress and is many years older than him, he is like a son to the big sister, his sister helped him get into this industry. Lucky guy.

I mean the actor of Kangxi.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Kangxi was very receptive to foreign knowledge and he himself was a good mathmetician, his grandson Qianglong was the opposite, very old school, close minded. China's real decline started from his reign.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The older sister is an actress and is many years older than him, he is like a son to the big sister, his sister helped him get into this industry. Lucky guy.

I mean the actor of Kangxi.

Yes, and he played the part well. Rather liked it. I'm crazy about Wuxia films, and beginning with the big 3, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, House of Flying Daggers, and Hero, went head first. Funnily enough, although CTHD is so superior and acted so well, I found myself with a lump in my throat after watching Hero.

That has NOTHING to do with Chinese History, although I will make one last confession, that of adoring Red Cliff. With that big a director, and the arch-villain Cao Cao playing such a major role, what's not to like?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Kangxi was very receptive to foreign knowledge and he himself was a good mathmetician, his grandson Qianglong was the opposite, very old school, close minded. China's real decline started from his reign.

But if you know that much, why did you not answer my questions about Qian Long? That led directly to Xinjiang, to the Dzungarian genocide, to the injection of the Uyghur, to the expelling of the Oirat from Tibet and the suzerainty of Qing over Tibet, everything that I wanted to place before the forum.

If you knew these facts and did not answer, that was underhand and left a poor impression.

 

[Beijingwalker]

But if you know that much, why did you not answer my questions about Qian Long? That led directly to Xinjiang, to the Dzungarian genocide, to the injection of the Uyghur, to the expelling of the Oirat from Tibet and the suzerainty of Qing over Tibet, everything that I wanted to place before the forum.

If you knew these facts and did not answer, that was underhand and left a poor impression.

Qiang didn't mean to do that genocide in the first place, Dzeungarian Mongols had pestered Qing for generations and each time after being beaten by Qing they kept coming back. Qianglong finally decided to settle this century old problem once and for all.
Calling it total genocide is also not accurate, some tribes from Dzungarian Mongols who were submissive to Qinng were moved and resettle by Qianlong.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Qiang didn't mean to do that genocide in the first place, Dzeungarian Mongols had pestered Qing for generations and each time after being beaten by Qing they kept coming back. Qianglong finally decided to settle this century old problem once and for all.
Calling it total genocide is also not accurate, some tribes from Dzungarian Mongols which were submissive to Qinng were moved and resettle by Qianlong.

A small fraction. This is one of those incidents where every authority agrees that it was genocide.
The ironic thing is the fate of the Uyghur.
They were handed over the vacated lands in northern Xinjiang to populate and to flourish, and they did, for nearly two centuries, and now they find they are the ones under pressure. What goes around comes around.

 

[Beijingwalker]

A small fraction. This is one of those incidents where every authority agrees that it was genocide.
The ironic thing is the fate of the Uyghur.

Uyghurs were moved north by Qing Dynasty to repopulate Northern Xinjiang, you almost never see Uyghur names for any places in northern Xinjiang, all names of places in north Xinjiang, like Urumqi, are Mongolian language.

 

[Beijingwalker]

A small fraction. This is one of those incidents where every authority agrees that it was genocide.
The ironic thing is the fate of the Uyghur.
They were handed over the vacated lands in northern Xinjiang to populate and to flourish, and they did, for nearly two centuries, and now they find they are the ones under pressure. What goes around comes around.

Right after Dzeungarian problem fixed, 大小和卓 brothers revolted against Qing, that revolt infuriated Qianlong more , cause the brothers were actually hostages being held by Dzeungarians ,Qing troops rescued them and sent back to southern Xinjiang to rule the locals.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Uyghurs were moved north by Qing Dynasty to repopulate Northern Xinjiang, you almost never see Uyghur names for any places in northern Xinjiang, all names of places in north Xinjiang, like Urumqi, are Mongolian language.

Yes, I know that, the point being that Turkic people, Muslim by faith, were moved into the homeland of Oirat Mongols who followed Tibetan Buddhism, after the Oirat had been wiped out.
The superficial point is about the high-handed manipulation of the border peoples by the Qing. Of course, it was provoked by the Dzungarian acts of violence and aggression in the first place, but the suppression was brutal.
Far more important is the point that is dodged by most contemporary Chinese commenting on the situation, that in the thinking of Han, Tang, Song and Ming, China was Han (ethnic, not dynasty) China, and the Mongols and Tibetans were external, border people to be guarded against, while the Qing changed the policy to absorb both Mongol and Tibetan.