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[sahureka2]

In this sad photo you can also see the Martyr Bagheri in its final phase of construction.

 

[tsunset]

Sahand tolerated waves of oceans. How could it sink so easily?

Sad and embarrassing. Those responsible should be severely punished for wasting millions of dollars spent on the ship.

IRIN has to change its method or else lose everything. They shouldn't have used inexperienced crew for repairs.

IRGC-N is basically meant to defend the shores and IRIN is intended to ensure our safety beyond Iranian shores. Therefore IRIN has to reconsider many things from design to production.

Then IRGCN should take that role because somehow nothing never happens to them and their brand new ships

All those things are majoritarly from Artesh every single time

 

[muhammed45]

Then IRGCN should take that role because somehow nothing never happens to them and their brand new ships

All those things are majoritarly from Artesh every single time

Navy is much more experienced compared to IRGC-N. They have destroying Saddam's navy in their record. They have bravely fought against American navy in Persian gulf.

The old methods must be changed and they have to redirect their funds to useful designs and production lines.

Or else as you said, they will have to inevitably drop the surface fleet of the navy and stick to submersible fleet as you mentioned.

 

[Flotilla]

Even if it is sabotage, that means that this asset was not properly protected.
But i don't think it is a sabotage. More negligence.

Agreed. Either sabotage or accident someone did really bad his job.

 

[tsunset]

Agreed. Either sabotage or accident someone did really bad his job.

Again the question is why targeting an IRIN frigate and not something that really pose a threat to the saboteurs? (Besshad for example)

An IRIN frigate doesn't pose any threat to a country with hundreds of destroyers, if Israel, first it poses and posed no threats to them

This kind of accident is typical of IRIN and not the first time

A merging of IRGCN and IRIN under the command of IRGC would make it solid and professional with adapted fundings and solid number of production per yerar

 

[sahureka2]

Here the Sahand 74 when it was in dry dock at the ISOICO (Iran Shipbuilding & Offshore Industries Complex) before returning to the water and sinking,

 

[tsunset]

Navy is much more experienced compared to IRGC-N. They have destroying Saddam's navy in their record. They have bravely fought against American navy in Persian gulf.

The old methods must be changed and they have to redirect their funds to useful designs and production lines.

Or else as you said, they will have to inevitably drop the surface fleet of the navy and stick to submersible fleet as you mentioned.

But how old are the war veterans? This now is 40 years old, imagining they instructed the new generations, the navy isn't composed of war veterans but teached by war veterans

 

[BP2]

Here the Sahand 74 when it was in dry dock at the ISOICO (Iran Shipbuilding & Offshore Industries Complex) before returning to the water and sinking,
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Not specially a very modern design....

 

[tsunset]

Not specially a very modern design....

Tell this to IRGCN, somehow they dodge all incidents and nothing happens to them with their brand new ships and IRIN gets all the craziest evitable incidents

This shows how IRIN gets no fund at all and is let sinking their ships every year because of old designs, barely any production whileIRGCN gets all the latest designs and big funds thanks to rahbar

This is what unevitably happen when you have 2 separated navies, one that gets barely any funds and sinks like that and another one that gets all they want and nothing ever happens to them (it is not because of luck)

 

[muhammed45]

Tell this to IRGCN, somehow they dodge all incidents and nothing happens to them with their brand new ships and IRIN gets all the craziest evitable incidents

This shows how IRIN gets no fund at all and is let sinking their ships every year because of old designs, barely any production whileIRGCN gets all the latest designs and big funds thanks to rahbar

This is what unevitably happen when you have 2 separated navies, one that gets barely any funds and sinks like that and another one that gets all they want and nothing ever happens to them (it is not because of luck)

Both IRGC-N and IRIN have similar budget defined and presented by government to majles.

IRGC's top priority has always been its missile forces not even navy.

Army or as we call Artesh has the same old mindset of Shah era. They are not innovative.

 

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[Flotilla]

Again the question is why targeting an IRIN frigate and not something that really pose a threat to the saboteurs? (Besshad for example)

An IRIN frigate doesn't pose any threat to a country with hundreds of destroyers, if Israel, first it poses and posed no threats to them

That is a good question.

And the answer should be the easiest explanation... Because it is the easiest point to hit. They (Israel, let´s be clear) tried to sabotage IRIAF helicopters, IRIAF fighters recently. In some cases they didn´t succeed. In others the success was very limited (they burnt and seems not completely an F4).

But entering in Bandar Abbas at night, with a demolition team at night, it was probably prepared years ago. They have been studing during years the easiests ways to hurt Artesh/IRGC. They just made an indirect attack to hurt the governmental interests without falling in a clear casus belli. I am pretty sure they did something similar with the Kharg incident.

And that came just some days after HZ entered in a Naval Base in Haifa with a drone and days after hitting any naval detachment in West Galilee.

Seems that IRIN needs much more things that just frigates. They need new ASW helicopters and planes to control the underwater traffic and specialized troops for guarding the ports and seashore bases in the foward islands.

 

[tsunset]

That is a good question.

And the answer should be the easiest explanation... Because it is the easiest point to hit. They (Israel, let´s be clear) tried to sabotage IRIAF helicopters, IRIAF fighters recently. In some cases they didn´t succeed. In others the success was very limited (they burnt and seems not completely an F4).

But entering in Bandar Abbas at night, with a demolition team at night, it was probably prepared years ago. They have been studing during years the easiests ways to hurt Artesh/IRGC. They just made an indirect attack to hurt the governmental interests without falling in a clear casus belli. I am pretty sure they did something similar with the Kharg incident.

And that came just some days after HZ entered in a Naval Base in Haifa with a drone and days after hitting any naval detachment in West Galilee.

Seems that IRIN needs much more things that just frigates. They need new ASW helicopters and planes to control the underwater traffic and specialized troops for guarding the ports and seashore bases in the foward islands.

The thing is that Iran always go loud when they just think about a sabotage, right now there is nothing said

Also remember that this same incident happened years ago to IRIN but they managed to get back the ship

A demolition team usually make noises, anyone would have heard something going wrong

The problem about sabotage is that IRGC is the enemy and put as terrorists by the US while Artesh is alright, why would they aim at such a no-threat ship that is meant for green waters in the region, that posed no threats at all? Why Besshad is alright? I remind that Besshad could have been targeted at any time because it is a threat to them, it is sending all data from the red sea and redirects it to Yemen, Besshad was very recently at port, why not this?

The answer is that most people uses the "sabotage" shortcut and the reality is that the ship was either badly built, its displacement badly made, too much mass with missiles such as Sayyad making it disproportionate, and a ton of other factors led it to flip over at any time, it was a question of time only when the ships are built like this

IRIN should stop this nonsense and reconsider a lot of things, this is too easy to say sabotage and that everything is alright, meanwhile IRGCN gets all the latest ships and never had such an incident, while they are listed as "terrorists" by the main saboteurs, this isn't because of luck

 

[alireza]

Would it be possible for the Navy to just produce the same recent ships as the IRGCN? I don't see why they can't just copy designs? Building more similar ships would probably be easier on maintenance/expertise/training.

 

[alireza]

Also can someone elaborate regarding the IRN and IRGC's Naval Sam options? The Nawab system has seen very slow roll out. Is it possible for Iran to produce a naval version of the Majid (AD-08)? Producing a naval Majid and maybe extending its range to 12km would be very beneficial on many of the larger and smaller ships. If Majid can fit on a Aras pickup then it sure can fit on most of these boats. It would be a much better option than all the Bofors 40 mm or the Zu 23 mm installations the ships have.