A diminished India

Mai frand, your assumptions are not supported by data.

Canada takes in about a half a million PRs in a year. Most are given to people with skills via economic emigration route. HNI routes (Investor, Enterpenure etc) admit way lesser. And those routes are harder to navigate. Even if you have money.

US EB-5 route is about 10,000 GCs per year. EB-2, EB-3? 80K per year.

Canada used to have investor route in all of Canada. These days only Quebec has investor route.

As I said, Jokers like you lack any critical reasoning.
No Zaar. You are right.

It's the upper middle class and rich who are using danki route. These spoiled brats who had maids, servants and drivers all their life will risk their lives and organs being harvested. You are right. No wonder Modi is our PM.

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It's the upper middle class and rich who are using danki route. These spoiled brats who had maids, servants and drivers all their life will risk their lives and organs being harvested. You are right. No wonder Modi is our PM.
Since you do not believe me, I will let DW do the talking for me.



Human smugglers make false promises about easy escapes, without providing warnings about the risks involved.

Gujarat police probing human smuggling cases said smugglers receive help from Punjabi counterparts to facilitate illegal entry into the US.

"From the initial interrogation of agents we have arrested, they charge $70,000-$75,000 (€64,000- €69,000) for each individual. The agents usually map the road to the US via Canada or through the Turkey-Mexico route," said Mandalik.

70,000 dollars per person. For a family of 3, that is about 210 thousand dollars. This is about 1.6 Crore INR. Am I to believe that these people are poor? Lower middle class? Nope! These are pretty rich people having vast wealth locked in land, jewellery, real estate, business and so on.

They do not have what US and Canada are asking for in immigration. They don't have right qualifications, English skills or degrees to go through formal route. They fall prey to "agents" and their own stupidity. A number of them pass through illegally and are never heard of in mainstream media. A significant number die in process.

As India become richer, their number will increase. And then it will finally start to come down, eventually.
 
These spoiled brats who had maids, servants and drivers all their life will risk their lives and organs being harvested.
Come on man! Even lower middle class in India can afford a maid. Saw it enough times while visiting India. Servants and Maids are not really that hard to afford in India. Most middle class families have maids who do the dishes, they have nannies to take care of young ones. Labour is cheap as hell in India.

Most don't have drivers because they can not afford a car. Affording a driver is not that big of an issue.

And they fall prey to immigration scams because they are unaware and ignorant and desperate. Its weird but these folks are so desperate to get out of India that they can not think logically. They would have never washed dishes in India but will gladly wash toilet and dishes in USA.
 
Since you do not believe me, I will let DW do the talking for me.





70,000 dollars per person. For a family of 3, that is about 210 thousand dollars. This is about 1.6 Crore INR. Am I to believe that these people are poor? Lower middle class? Nope! These are pretty rich people having vast wealth locked in land, jewellery, real estate, business and so on.

They do not have what US and Canada are asking for in immigration. They don't have right qualifications, English skills or degrees to go through formal route. They fall prey to "agents" and their own stupidity. A number of them pass through illegally and are never heard of in mainstream media. A significant number die in process.

As India become richer, their number will increase. And then it will finally start to come down, eventually.
Zaar, the rates are not uniform. These people borrow money from their friends and relatives. Many sell their land in villages. Some offer it as low as 30-40k.

A UP watchman I know owns 22 acres of land in his village. Ancestral property.

You run a restaurant in India. One of your diners finds a dead lizard in his food. You can manage everything.

But things are not the same in the west. You might lose your license. Face a lawsuit and will have to pay compensation.

You know Zaar. I knew many upper class legal wannabe immigrants to the West. Did their masters and returned home. They couldn't handle cleaning and cooking and other menial chores. Their parents had to pay their student loans.

If you get caught while driving drunk, you can bribe the police and get away. The same won't happen in the west.

Plus the loneliness. Most Indians have no personalities. Gora babus aren't going to be friends with you if you don't make any efforts. Many of them total heroes in India. But when they realised they are total Zeros in the west. They couldn't handle it.

Why do you think Hrithik Roshan or Shahrukh never tried their luck in Hollywood? They are wise
 
Before Gujaratis
Another thing Zaar, Wrt Gujaratis and Marwadis. Do you know that they provide loans to their community members with interest rate being as low as 0.5 percent and sometimes even Zero interest rate without any collateral?

Easy for their Lower middle class to ride the dunki
 
A UP watchman I know owns 22 acres of land in his village. Ancestral property.
Yeah then that stupid watchman is not poor. He is just pretending to be poor or is extremely stupid. He could have started a business by selling the land and quit his survival job. At best he is rich but ignorant person. Very common phenomenon in India. They will have kilograms of gold but they will do menial labor. They will spend a fortune doing elaborate wedding with massive amount of gold in dowry and then they will cry that they have debt. This is not poverty but stupidity.

Zaar, the rates are not uniform. These people borrow money from their friends and relatives. Many sell their land in villages. Some offer it as low as 30-40k.
Nothing can bring 1.6 Crore INR without having that much of equity somewhere. No one is stupid enough to give you that money especially when you are going out of the country. Who will make sure that you will pay?

Zaar, the rates are not uniform.
Why the hell anyone will charge you less when he has a literal boat load of people ready to spend the same? If you pay less, you are likely to end up on disection table for kidneys, together with your wife and 5 year old Bunty. These are ruthless human traffickers.

I knew many upper class legal wannabe immigrants to the West. Did their masters and returned home. They couldn't handle cleaning and cooking and other menial chores. Their parents had to pay their student loans.
Thing is, no really thinks beforehand if the high is worth the pain afterward. When they start they have this weird notation that reaching Canada or USA will magically solve all their problems. Yeah, many find it does not. I am not doubting their desperation. It does not come from lack of money. Those who really lack money, they go no where. Look at Bihar and UP and waste-bengals.

If you get caught while driving drunk, you can bribe the police and get away. The same won't happen in the west.
But things are not the same in the west. You might lose your license. Face a lawsuit and will have to pay compensation.
I never claimed that these folks coming here are well aware of situation and laws. I only claimed that they are NOT poor. They are sometimes stupid alright. But then really wise folks do not take this much risk anyways.
 
Another thing Zaar, Wrt Gujaratis and Marwadis. Do you know that they provide loans to their community members with interest rate being as low as 0.5 percent and sometimes even Zero interest rate without any collateral?

Easy for their Lower middle class to ride the dunki
No one gives money without some kind of assurance of pay back. They or their families usually have land, real estate or other assets. That's how community business works. The contract is the community but there are always assets involved.

Leave everything else, why do you think Marwaris, Jains, Punjabis, Gujjus do this and not Dalits from Bihar, UP and Orissa? Their population is much more than these folks. Why do they not dominate illegal immigration scene?
 
No one gives money without some kind of assurance of pay back. They or Their families usually have land, real estate or other assets
They need 4-5 guarantors from their caste.

You don't understand Gujarati and Marwadi.

If you look at their shopowners in other states, most of them are poor. Rich ones help set their businesses by providing them low or zero interest loans.

They are like Js. They want to completely takeover India. If I think much worse than Js. Atleast Js have contributed to science, arts, literature etc etc. These people are just parasites.

Leave everything else, why do you think Marwaris, Jains, Punjabis, Gujjus do this and not Dalits from Bihar, UP and Orissa? Their population is much more than these folks. Why do they not dominate illegal immigration scene?

Only Gujarati and Marwadi. I don't think Punjabis have that kind of system.

Dalits are dirt poor. Rich Dalits don't help them. I don't think many of them are aware about illegal immigration let alone affors it.
 
Since you do not believe me, I will let DW do the talking for me.





70,000 dollars per person. For a family of 3, that is about 210 thousand dollars. This is about 1.6 Crore INR. Am I to believe that these people are poor? Lower middle class? Nope! These are pretty rich people having vast wealth locked in land, jewellery, real estate, business and so on.

They do not have what US and Canada are asking for in immigration. They don't have right qualifications, English skills or degrees to go through formal route. They fall prey to "agents" and their own stupidity. A number of them pass through illegally and are never heard of in mainstream media. A significant number die in process.

As India become richer, their number will increase. And then it will finally start to come down, eventually.

it is a expectations game. expectations have risen.

People who are really broke cannot afford to pay for tens of thousands to smugglers

The media plays a role here. It always has. What passes as media varies from case to case
 
Depends on what thoughts you made for youself after reading my comment… i guess
Countries and/or interest groups die for friendship of USA

It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.

There are a lot of sour grapes against America from Pakistanis. If America offered a strategic partnership to Pakistan your elite would be dancing naked in the street
 
They need 4-5 guarantors from their caste.

You don't understand Gujarati and Marwadi.

If you look at their shopowners in other states, most of them are poor. Rich ones help set their businesses by providing them low or zero interest loans.

They are like Js. They want to completely takeover India. If I think much worse than Js. Atleast Js have contributed to science, arts, literature etc etc. These people are just parasites.
The money only flows in the community because they have close familial links. If one member absconds with money, a close family member will pay in his place.

Now if a person has a privilege of availing a ZERO or low percentage loan of 1.5-2 Crore, I will not call him poor at all. He can take that loan and start a business or buy a god damned cow to start a dairy. There are thousands of ways to use low cost capital. They do it all the time in fact.

This is again not a desperate act to leave India due to poverty. This is a vanity project. That's what it is. They WANT to go to US or Canada and are able to finance their (mis)-"adventure". They are not FORCED out of India due to poverty.

Only Gujarati and Marwadi. I don't think Punjabis have that kind of system.
Punjabis are also asset rich folks who have massive farms and familial assets. That's how they have such a massive presence in UK and Canada. They have a massive hard-on for "Phoren".

Dalits are dirt poor. Rich Dalits don't help them. I don't think many of them are aware about illegal immigration let alone affors it.
Exactly! Dalits are both income and asset poor and go nowhere unless they get a scholarship and join some university. These are the real poor people.

Marwari, Jains and Punjabis are asset and/or income rich folks. They WANT to go to foreign, and they may not NEED to go to foreign.
 
it is a expectations game. expectations have risen.

People who are really broke cannot afford to pay for tens of thousands to smugglers

The media plays a role here. It always has. What passes as media varies from case to case
India is a country where people having 10s of acres of fertile land are called poor. During marriages they give and take gifts worth 100s of thousands of dollars.

Meanwhile truely poor folks in India do not have money for the next meal.

Poor is a very loaded word in India.
 
The money only flows in the community because they have close familial links. If one member absconds with money, a close family member will pay in his place.

Now if a person has a privilege of availing a ZERO or low percentage loan of 1.5-2 Crore, I will not call him poor at all. He can take that loan and start a business or buy a god damned cow to start a dairy. There are thousands of ways to use low cost capital. They do it all the time in fact.

This is again not a desperate act to leave India due to poverty. This is a vanity project. That's what it is. They WANT to go to US or Canada and are able to finance their (mis)-"adventure". They are not FORCED out of India due to poverty.


Punjabis are also asset rich folks who have massive farms and familial assets. That's how they have such a massive presence in UK and Canada. They have a massive hard-on for "Phoren".


Exactly! Dalits are both income and asset poor and go nowhere unless they get a scholarship and join some university. These are the real poor people.

Marwari, Jains and Punjabis are asset and/or income rich folks. They WANT to go to foreign, and they may not NEED to go to foreign.
I am going to empty bowel and go to sleep. I will reply in the morning or afternoon maybe.

You don't quite understand.

Rich Gujaratis and Marwadis don't want to develop their backwards region. If they were so charitable, Marwad, Kutch and Saurashtra wouldn't be so backwards.

They want their brothers to move out of their home region and take over other states. Thats their sinister plan. Gujarati and Marwadis are a tiny minority in other states yet they have all local politicians in their pockets.

You see Js had pay for their crimes. But these parasites were never punished. That's a tragedy. They lots of bloods on their hands.
 

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