Bangladesh Socio-Political Crisis 2024 and onwards

[Al-Zakir]

Damn, I didn't know even @Nilgiri was a 'bum'.

I thought he was a she. My bad .

 

[PakFactor]

It was reported last night that they arrested a general who was the head of the intelligence agency, acting as Hasina's front man. He captured and tortured opponents and was involved in disappearances.

 

[Pingle]

South Korea and Japan don't have nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles, nor do they aspire to be permanent members of the UNSC like India does. a country like India, with such a huge military, doesn't need USA to counter China.

China + Pakistan it's going to be.... China is already many folds powerful than India add nuclear Pakistan in that and see.... UK too is a nuclear power with ICBMs.... they still need USA....

 

[indushek]

@indushek I know you are a Modi cultist(and that’s ok) - but just because someone is pointing out it is not “All izz well” doesn’t mean to go all into them “squealing like xyz” in a venting effort.

So the someone saying that, isn't venting?

If that's the parameter being applied, everything everyone says is a kind of venting.

Labeling isn't new either, everyone has labels for everyone. All I will say is, am a 'Anti Congress Cultist', as I feel I am better judge of myself. I hate wolves in sheep skin, of which my country has a lot.

I also never blame outsiders mind you, one has to set things at home in order first before blaming others.

 

[indushek]

A conspiracy.

You for one, will know a lot about those -- given you are so 'well read and intellectual'

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

China + Pakistan it's going to be.... China is already many folds powerful than India add nuclear Pakistan in that and see.... UK too is a nuclear power with ICBMs.... they still need USA....

What’s the point of India spending over $80 billion on defense annually and maintaining a huge army, air force, and navy if it needs the USA to counter China? India already has more than 300 twin-engine fighter jets, with 114 more to be procured under the MMRCA, a blue-water navy with two aircraft carriers, and four more planned, plus 12 destroyers. Comparing Pakistan to India is absurd. Pakistan doesn't have intercontinental ballistic missiles, its nuclear weapons are also under US control, and it doesn't aim to challenge US hegemony. Instead, Pakistan wants to act as an extension of US foreign policy, similar to Turkey, and has been allied with USA since 1947.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You for one, will know a lot about those -- given you are so 'well read and intellectual'

True.

It's difficult living up to people's expectations, but one tries.

 

[Pingle]

What’s the point of India spending over $80 billion on defense annually and maintaining a huge army, air force, and navy if it needs the USA to counter China? India already has more than 300 twin-engine fighter jets, with 114 more to be procured under the MMRCA, a blue-water navy with two aircraft carriers, and four more planned, plus 12 destroyers. Comparing Pakistan to India is absurd. Pakistan doesn't have intercontinental ballistic missiles, its nuclear weapons are also under US control, and it doesn't aim to challenge US hegemony. Instead, Pakistan wants to act as an extension of US foreign policy, similar to Turkey, and has been allied with USA since 1947.

Whatever we have China has triple of that and do not underestimate the scale of Chinese domestic production....in war of attrition we will be in trouble off course this is in full scale war otherwise I don't expect more than big skirmishes between India and China....
Pakistan nuclear weapons are not under American control I have never heard this....

 

[Afif]

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@Joe Shearer @Nilgiri @Oscar

Interesting perspective.

 

[Thinking]

As I said before, another pearl in all the success that is going around Indian neighborhood. I am more concerned about Phogat drama and stock market volatility. Atleast no one "clever" will whine about BD again.

 

[Oscar]

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@Joe Shearer @Nilgiri @Oscar

Feels cherry picked but considering the emotional state and obvious religious overtones displayed in various videos there is an angle. However, considering the current pick for leadership I don’t think the Jamaat ideals will take over - instead it may just settle down.

What it might do is a quasi repeat of more Bengali Hindu sentiment going towards India and while I certainly don’t suggest it’s happening now; some hawk in India might come up with the cockamiemie idea of thinking of doing a North South Sudan in BD by cultivating and exploiting what may be a wishful divide in certain Indian media outlets for now.

 

[samejjangir]

Sure, from this analysis, it immediately becomes clear why we have dunderheads in the External Affairs Ministry. Is there any doubt that our good friends from the north would step in, meet all the requirements mentioned above, and take permission to position a division at the Siliguri Gap?

Makes no sense. China does not seek war against India. It never has and there is hardly any reason why it will go aggressive against India. India's threat is from the NATO block more than China. Yes, China can do that but as we saw in Maldives, Sri Lanka etc, it does not do that. Muizzu had to tone down against India & even SL govt has become pro India after their crisis.
It is abundantly clear who the dunderhead here is when one starts imagining enemies based on hypes rather than actual ground realities.

Again, ask the Bangladeshis.

Ask why, after seeking temporary refuge in India, it was felt necessary for the chief spook to meet her at the air force base. What does that look like to you, other than incompetent ineptitude?

I have made it clear that foreign policy is about making gains, not about perception management. It is irrelevant for India what BD people think. The reality is just that Hasina has not provided anything back to India.

You said so, not I. The incompetence and the ineptitude did not lie at the transactional level, but at a higher, strategic and geo-political level, where we thought we could browbeat Bangladesh, or bribe her, or seduce her and get our objectives. It doesn't work that way.

Making long term investment is not incompetence. Due to this investment, India can twist BD economy anytime, meaning any govt that comes will have to be non-hostile to India.

Are you completely ignorant?

Look up the incidents relating to the BDR, and assess the tight-rope that both the Army and the government were walking, with relation to the BDR.

Where do people like you float up and pass judgement on every single issue about which you know nothing? Or less than nothing?

You are the one who is ignorant. Every army relies on supply chains. How did BDR get the supplies? Without supplies, BDR can be crushed and its generals can be jailed for attempted coup. That has happened in many countries. The only justification for no action, even a slow one (like deteriorating BDR & after couple years, arresting all the generals) is that it was just a good-cop & bad-cop acting. Only dunderheads can get fooled at such tricks

How, O Manstein Reborn, would these have helped against Bangladesh? Do you even know what the topography is, and what sort of battles would be fought?

Are you saying that Su30 can't hit targets on ground? Can't ATAGS strike 40-45km into BD and destroy buildings & infrastructure? Do you know that over 50% of BD territory is within 50km from Indian borders and hence within artillery reach? Why do you think India would not sue them if BD fires at Indians? Or are you going completely bonkers when losing an argument and just talking trash?

Yes, from across the border, from the related tribes fighting the Burmese government.

Please, do not get into these discussions before doing some elementary homework.

Yeah, the tribals have magical powers to conjure up weapons, ammunition etc out of thin air, isn't it? Can you name the mines from which the tribals obtain raw materials like brass, lead, copper, steel, fuel etc?

 

[nahtanbob]

@Nilgiri and @Joe Shearer :
Please see this. I respectfully disagree with your posts. I don't want to go anymore Off topic than already been but you two are among my favorites from India so good to hear from you after a long time.
But a few words: Stability, whether Right or Left wing, brutal or benevolent, can lift nations to the next stage by educating more people--and 'education' in every sense of the word--and moving people up on the Maslow's Pyramid. In that sense, Hasina seemed to have unshackled BD from the long era of instability since 1971. Even the images of the protestors on the street show people in much better shape/clothed than 12-15 years ago. I believe same is happening in India but its just that India's problem is too many Indians! And I think, for all its fault, Stalin lifted the Soviets higher--he even lifted the 'Stans higher.
Maybe we touch upon these topics in another thread.

@Meengla
Disagree with you here
It is easy to keep lid on smaller populations than it is to keep a lid on larger population.

Managing India with its diversity is not trivial. Economic progress is not everything. Like him or hate him Modi has done more for India than any PM since Nehru. His party did not win big because a lot of sub-groups have their own gripes on playing by the rules, internal immigration, economic spoils, communalism etc. The Indian system and federalism have outlets Hasina did not keep in Bangladesh.

Look at Ethiopia, Nigeria and see how well they are doing.

 

[nahtanbob]

Makes no sense. China does not seek war against India. It never has and there is hardly any reason why it will go aggressive against India. India's threat is from the NATO block more than China.

How do you come to such conclusions ?
Chinese decision making is as opaque as it can get

Name countries that are friendly to China. List them

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Whatever we have China has triple of that and do not underestimate the scale of Chinese domestic production....in war of attrition we will be in trouble off course this is in full scale war otherwise I don't expect more than big skirmishes between India and China....
Pakistan nuclear weapons are not under American control I have never heard this....

Why do you think India never accepted US as mediator on Kashmir dispute? Despite Pakistan and USA asking repeatedly for accepting US as a mediator?
India can never surrender kashmir to Pakistan because USA wants to