Bangladesh Socio-Political Crisis 2024 and onwards

[samejjangir]

The ground realities are that the peaceful, non-warlike Chinese have occupied significant parts of Indian territory, and are running their transport vehicles over the Pangong Tso over a bridge.

The peaceful, non-warlike Chinese have restricted access to our patrols in the Galwan region.

The peaceful, non-warlike Chinese have posted a large number of their most advanced fighters over as recently as the last two years on airfields within Tibet.

Are you on drugs?

Good.

Do you have anything to say other than hypes or exaggerations? Has Indian territory ever been demarcated by Indian govt based on ground realities? Or is its just adoption of British maps and claims on that basis? How did Aksai China become part of India? It is a road connecting Tibet & Xinjiang and completely cutoff by Himalayas to the South & West. By what magic did India get claims on that land?
You are simply being stubborn and have no ground based facts on historical data but just look at superficiality

So by your expert assessment, India has provided huge inputs, and got nothing back.

That, of course, qualifies as expert, competent management of foreign policy and foreign affairs.


Have you heard the Bangladeshis saying what they are saying about India? Or is the plan to overpower them with the flood of our gifts and subsidies? And while we are doing this, the non-warlike peaceful Chinese will be flooding Bangladesh with goods and finances that beggar anything that we can offer.

It is called economic control. India wields significant economic control over Bangladesh. Unless BD is willing to go back 10 years of development, they have to shove their opinions and tow the line. India has not got anything back but also ensuring that it can't be harmed by BD by having a leverage. This is similar to how USA goes around investing in countries like Pakistan.

What supplies? The BDR is not an invading force, it is a native Bangladeshi armed formation. Are you even aware of what it is?

It was not only not crushed the last time that they rose in mutiny, they got away with a metaphorical slap on the wrist, after killing a number of Army officers, threatening their families, and attempting to assassinate SHW.


Ah, the Army acquiesced (colluded with) in the BDR massacre, as officers are cheap, but the great game must go on. Very intelligent.

BDR revolt had nothing to do with BDR firing at Indians. You are just mincing words and twisting things to suit your ideas but they are not reality. BDR may definitely fire at India by going rogue but if they went rogue, why did BD leadership back them? They could simply have conveyed India that India can kill any BDR soldier & BD govt would do only lip service. That would have meant India could simply free fire at BDR and that would have instilled fear in BDR while also reducing the headcount of rogue elements.

It is just the feeling of wonder at the disjointed arguments and the weird imaginings on display. While all this hitherto concealed martial bravado takes place, are the Bangladeshis keeping quiet? Look up their artillery force, their armour and their basic infantry. Has it occurred to General Feld Marschal von Manstein that what is within 50 kms of the border from the Indian side also covers a lot of Indian territory from the Bangladesh side? What happens when they start shooting back?


Just for your information, look up the armed formations that are currently fighting (and defeating) the Burmese Army. You can start with Rakhine, go to Chin, then Sagaing, finally Kachin. They do not make their guns and arms, but buy them, and use them. The tribes in Chin and Sagaing are identical with those in the proximate Indian states. Look them up. In some places, the border is a small rivulet or a stream, and traditionally commerce and business has flowed easily across the international border. If you have kind friends, they may even give you instances of the Burmese Army taking refuge in Indian territory because they have been defeated by these rebel formations.

I have seriously met very few as totally ignorant, and as a great chairborne expert with no knowledge of the subject, as you.

Bangladesh has no indigenous artillery. It has no indigenous steel supply, missiles etc. Bangladesh has no major weaponry to shoot back. Its limited ammunition & indigenous spare part production means India can disable its military in a day or 2 and there will not no case of BD having the ability to shoot back.

As for armed formation of Myanmar tribes, I am well aware. The tribals on either Indian or Burmese side don't have any heavy industry or weapon making factories. Weapons are not something that can be traded like potatoes that they will be purchased from anonymous street vendors and sneaked in sacks on boats and carts by random people via rivulets or unfenced border. The weapons used by the tribals are military grade weapons supplied from high tech industries and have limited sources & supply chains and can be easily restricted from passing a territory by government authorities. My point is that they are buying that weapons from BD or trafficked via BD as there is no other route available which implies BD authority is complicit with weapons trafficking

 

[UKBengali]

We didn't tell Hasina to crush the opposition

As far as economic ties are concerned, Mohammed Yunus will realise it on the First day that India is indispensable

Or you can.start importing goods from China by paying the additional transport costs

Geography cannot be changed

This I can totally agree with.

No government in BD can even think about stopping trade with India.

In fact Hasina and Modi have already laid the foundations for a FTA that the World Bank thinks will increase BD exports by 300% to India and India exports by around half this in vice-versa.


Hope the new government comes in and builds on the economic relations with India and especially energy connectivity with Nepal and Bhutan in terms of hydro-electric power,

I do not know what advice or help India gave BD in dealing with the opposition but at the end of the day, Hasina had agency and she should be solely blamed for any crimes she and AL committed while in office.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

This I can totally agree with.

No government in BD can even think about stopping trade with India.

In fact Hasina and Modi have already laid the foundations for a FTA that the World Bank thinks will increase BD exports by 300% to India and India exports by around half this in vice-versa.


Hope the new government comes in and builds on the economic relations with India and especially energy connectivity with Nepal and Bhutan in terms of hydro-electric power,

I do not know what advice or help India gave BD in dealing with the opposition but at the end of the day, Hasina had agency and she should be solely blamed for any crimes she and AL committed while in office.

Our Aim was and still is political stability and economic progress

Trade , investment and Connectivity are the means to Achieve that

We already have settled the Boundary question

China can definitely lure you with much more money but obviously it means 2 things

1 ) Chinese bases which we will immediately counter by US help

and 2 ) getting involved in a meaningless Conflict with India

 

[UKBengali]

Our Aim was and still is political stability and economic progress

Trade , investment and Connectivity are the means to Achieve that

We already have settled the Boundary question

China can definitely lure you with much more money but obviously it means 2 things

1 ) Chinese bases which we will immediately counter by US help

and 2 ) getting involved in a meaningless Conflict with India

Relax as BD has no interest in taking sides between India and China.

As for bases, forget it as no government will survive when word of any agreement gets out.

If India wants a good relationship with future BD government's, then it only needs to show willingness to work as a partner.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

Relax as BD has no interest in taking sides between India and China.

As for bases, forget it as no government will survive when word of any agreement gets out.

If India wants a good relationship with future BD government's, then it only needs to show willingness to work as a partner.

To quote Donald Rumsfeld

Right now There are many "Known Unknowns "

We should.wait and watch

The most important role is that of Bangladesh Army to decide both internal and external policies

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Why this fake and forced love between India and Bangladesh was about to end anyway.

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"Dear South Asian friends!I visited both Indian & Pakistan High Commissions in Dhaka & the fun fact is, being a "trusted friend" of Bangladesh under the leadership of PM Hasina, India has to put four tires of security at their HC while Pakistan keeps its main gate almost open."

 

[Joe Shearer]

India showing some generosity

Absolutely the last thing that might move the withers of our politicians' hearts. They wouldn't even know how to spell it.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

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[Circadian Rhythm]

Why this fake and forced love between India and Bangladesh was about to end anyway.

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"Dear South Asian friends!I visited both Indian & Pakistan High Commissions in Dhaka & the fun fact is, being a "trusted friend" of Bangladesh under the leadership of PM Hasina, India has to put four tires of security at their HC while Pakistan keeps its main gate almost open."

Security is decided by the Host country based on Threat Perception

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

Absolutely the last thing that might move the withers of our politicians' hearts. They wouldn't even know how to spell it.

You do realize that External aid has to be balanced with internal needs and requirements

After all it is Tax Payers money

 

[UKBengali]

You do realize that External aid has to be balanced with internal needs and requirements

After all it is Tax Payers money

I was not talking about money at all but "generosity of heart".

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

I was not talking about money at all but "generosity of heart".

We will reach out to the New elected government

Cannot say how long will the caretaker set up last

 

[Afif]

Bangladesh has no indigenous artillery. It has no indigenous steel supply, missiles etc. Bangladesh has no major weaponry to shoot back. Its limited ammunition & indigenous spare part production means India can disable its military in a day or 2 and there will not no case of BD having the ability to shoot back.

Lol, army has 35x tube artillery regiments in total (18x guns in each regiment)

29x field artillery regiments with 105mm and 122mm guns.

5x medium regiments with long range 130mm and 122mm guns.

1x regiment of 155mm SP guns.

@Joe Shearer I love the fact how Bhakts thinking resemble Putin (the idiot they simp for) They are gonna disable Bangladesh army within a day or two! Lmao.

Here's the reality.

Bangladesh army has 10 Divisions. To effectively apply force against us, Indian army would need to allocate 15 Divisions at least. Given the current size of Indian army, it is not a realistic option for them as it would alter the balance on the ground with Pak and PRC.

And yes, IAF is huge and powerful. Capable of inflicting significant damage on Bangladesh and it probably will. Of course, on the other hand BAF is almost non existent.

But we don't really need BAF to inflict real damage on IAF. Majority of IAF Eastern Command critical bases within less than 120km of BD. The advantage of proximate Geography goes both ways.



We saw with GMLRS in Ukraine what precision guided Rocket artillery can do. Bangladesh has 1x Regiment of TRG-300 which has 120km range and high precision capability with anti-jamming feature.

Keep in mind of North of BD has relatively denser vegetation. Our GMLRS batteries would be incredibly hard to find and destroy. (World 'second most powerful army' couldn't destroy more than 3 or 4 HIMARS launchers in Ukraine after 2 years of war.)

Also, Hassina previously mentioned Army is buying tactical ballistic missile. Which was then reported to be Turkish Khan with 280km range. That would significantly increase the reach of Bangladesh army.

On the other hand, S400 proven to be terrible against GMLRS and ATACMS. And AKASH + MRSAM is not designed to intercept ballistic targets. (MRSAM will likely have some success) Though India has limited strategic BMD, that is not deployable in the region. Nor those systems are optimized against intercepting $100k guided rockets.

In any full scale war scenario, Bangaldesh armed forces have the ability to damage IAF Eastern Command capabilities in the North. Leaving the frontier exposed to PLA and PLAAF.

Also, keep in mind in such war
China would likely flood us with intelligence and targeting data. They have tons of great assets for that and more importantly they can do that wihtout any cost or risk from within their sovereign territory. And there is not much India could do about it.

There is no reason for India to initiate armed conflict with Bangladesh unless we invade or threaten their territory. Which is never gonna happen. Only Bhakts lunatics think it make sense to initiate armed hostilities with a new set of 175 millions while already having two nuclear armed adversaries (one is almost a superpower) on its border with active claim on its sovereign territories and who fought wars against India in the past for it.

@Oscar @Bengal71

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Lol, army has 35x tube artillery regiments in total (18x guns in each regiment)

29x field artillery regiments with 105mm and 122mm guns.

5x medium regiments with long range 130mm and 122mm guns.

1x regiment of 155mm SP guns.

@Joe Shearer I love the fact how Bhakts thinking resemble Putin (the idiot they simp for) They are gonna disable Bangladesh army within a day or two! Lmao.

Here's the reality.

Bangladesh army has 10 Divisions. To effectively apply force against us, Indian army would need to allocate 15 Divisions at least. Given the current size of Indian army, it is not a realistic option for them as it would alter the balance on the ground with Pak and PRC.

And yes, IAF is huge and powerful. Capable of inflicting significant damage. And of course, BAF almost non existent.

But we don't really need BAF to inflict real damage on IAF. Majority of IAF Eastern Command critical bases within less than 120km of BD. The advantage of proximate Geography goes both ways.

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We saw with GMLRS in Ukraine what precision guided Rocket artillery can do. Bangladesh has 1x Regiment of TRG-300 which has 120km range and high precision capability with anti-jamming feature.

Keep in mind of North of BD has relatively denser vegetation. Our GMLRS batteries would be incredibly hard to find and destroy. (World "second most powerful army' couldn't destroy more than 3 or 4 HIMARS launchers in Ukraine after 2 years of war.)

Also, Hassina previously mentioned Army is buying tactical ballistic missile. Which was then reported to be Turkish Khan with 280km range. That would significantly increase the reach of Bangladesh army.

On the other hand, S400 proven to be terrible against GMLRS and ATACMS. And AKASH + MRSAM is not designed to intercept ballistic targets. (MRSAM will likely have some success) Though India has limited strategic BMD, thay is deployable in the region. Nor those system optimized against intercepting $100k guided rockets.

In any full scale war scenario, Bangaldesh armed forces have the ability to damage IAF Eastern Command capabilities in the North. Leaving the frontier exposed to PLA and PLAAF.

Also, keep in mind in such war
China would likely flood us with intelligence and targeting data. They have tons of great assets for that and more importantly they can do that wihtout any cost or risk from within their sovereign territory. And there is not much India could do about it.

There is no reason for India to initiate armed conflict with Bangladesh unless we invade or threaten their territory. Which is never gonna happen. Only Bhakts lunatics think it make sense to initiate armed hostilities with a new set of 175 millions while already having two nuclear armed adversaries (one is almost a superpower) on its border with active claim on its sovereign territories and who fought wars against India in the past for it.

@Oscar @Bengal71

The Turkish drones are enough to take care of Bharat......

Kidding aside, the most challenging part will be in the defense. Thankfully, the Turkish military industrial complex alone can deter any Bharati aggression. BD needs to develop her indigenous defense industries by closely cooperating with Turkey....

 

[AbuShalehRumi]

That’s a ridiculous comment, not everyone who supports Awami League is a criminal.

Every BAL member who supported BAL after 1st aug 2024 is a criminal and a mass murderer.

I really hope Bangladesh doesn’t go down the attitude you are displaying.

Watch the news...

Please stop this nonsense.

After murder of Shahid Abu Saeed by BAL and a week long total internet blackout. My first post in this thread was " I will support anyone who will avenge Shahid Abu Saeeds death".
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People like you are Jafar Iqbal type mouth fodders and people like me gets the job done...