Bangladesh Socio-Political Crisis 2024 and onwards

He will be head of the care taker government to conduct free and fair election. I believe election will take place within 6 months.

@LeonBlack08

I don't think it will be 6 months. BNP wants immediate election, but the students demanded reform first and then election. Public sympathy is with students and it will be wise for BNP to not fight it. They already made a mess of things by having a party rally yesterday, while the country is still mourning and law and order is still not restored.

My guess is there will be a 3rd or 4th party popping up as well.

So it will be around 1 to 2 year tenure of interim govt at least.
 
Relax bro,

I know you are emotionally charged to see the victory against Awami League. But we must respect the supporters of opposing views and protect the state buildings.

These are not traits of good civilian to burn our own buildings. The Bangladeshi public will be ultimately taxed to rebuild it

Bhai re, you won't understand. This was not a peaceful revolution. They killed more than 1000 kids and injured Allah knows how many. They did not even spare toddlers.

Hasina did all these crime with direct assistance of India. Many said, Indian fauzi was killing our kids in Bd police/BDR uniform.

We are mad as he'll and any sign of Awami and India will be burn down to ground.
 
Bhai re, you won't understand. This was not a peaceful revolution. They killed more than 1000 kids and injured Allah knows how many. They did not even spare toddlers.

Hasina did all these crime with direct assistance of India. Many said, Indian fauzi was killing our kids in Bd police/BDR uniform.

We are mad as he'll and any sign of Awami and India will be burn down to ground.
If they did bad, it doesn’t mean you return the favour in the same way. Have some difference if you think the new government is going to be better after the revolution..

My personal opinion as I am unaware of the ground realities
 
If they did bad, it doesn’t mean you return the favour in the same way. Have some difference if you think the new government is going to be better after the revolution..

My personal opinion as I am unaware of the ground realities

If you knew what they did with Bd, your reaction would be same as mine or even worse.

There is something call "Nishan e Ibrat".
 
If India desires good relations with Bangladesh, they should do us a favor and return Khuni Mafroor Hasina and her sister to Bangladesh. She must go on trial and face charges of crimes against humanity. That would be a good start.


Bangladesh SC Bar President urges India to arrest and return Sheikh Hasina, Rehana​


Published On: August 7, 2024 02:00 PM NPT By: Agencies
Bangladesh SC Bar President urges India to arrest and return Sheikh Hasina, Rehana




DHAKA, Aug 7: As the situation in Bangladesh deteriorates following Sheikh Hasina's resignation, the Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) President, AM Mahbub Uddin Khokon, has urged India to arrest the former Prime Minister and her sister, Sheikh Rehana, and return them to Bangladesh, as reported by Dhaka Tribune.


At a press conference held at the SCBA auditorium, Khokon stated, "We want to maintain a positive relationship with the people of India. Please arrest Sheikh Hasina and Sheikh Rehana, who fled the country, and send them back to Bangladesh."

He also accused Hasina of causing numerous deaths in Bangladesh, adding, "Sheikh Hasina has killed many people in Bangladesh."

Several pro-BNP lawyers were present at the conference.

Khokon, who is also a joint secretary general of the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), urged against declaring a state of emergency and demanded the resignation of Supreme Court judges involved in political activities and corruption within a week, Dhaka Tribune reported.

He also called for the resignation of state law officers, including Attorney General AM Amin Uddin, and the heads and officials of the Anti-Corruption Commission (ACC) and National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), as they were appointed by the Hasina-led government.


Additionally, Khokon demanded the release of political prisoners.

Bangladesh is facing a fluid political situation with Sheikh Hasina, on August 5, tendering her resignation from her post in the wake of mounting protests. The protests, led majorly by students demanding an end to a quota system for government jobs, took the shape of anti-government protests.

Earlier in the day, President Mohammed Shahabuddin, announced the dissolution of the country's parliament to make way for the formation of an interim administration, Dhaka Tribune reported.

In another major development, BNP chairperson and former Prime Minister Khaleda Zia was also released. Hasina arrived in India on Monday evening and it is not clear if she will stay in Delhi or move to another location.

Meanwhile, in Dhaka, leaders of the Anti-Discrimination Student Movement have proposed an interim government led by Nobel Laureate Muhammad Yunus, in a bid to address Bangladesh's ongoing challenge.


 
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Lol, army has 35x tube artillery regiments in total (18x guns in each regiment)

29x field artillery regiments with 105mm and 122mm guns.

5x medium regiments with long range 130mm and 122mm guns.

1x regiment of 155mm SP guns.

@Joe Shearer I love the fact how Bhakts thinking resemble Putin (the idiot they simp for) They are gonna disable Bangladesh army within a day or two! Lmao.

Here's the reality.

Bangladesh army has 10 Divisions. To effectively apply force against us, Indian army would need to allocate 15 Divisions at least. Given the current size of Indian army, it is not a realistic option for them as it would alter the balance on the ground with Pak and PRC.

And yes, IAF is huge and powerful. Capable of inflicting significant damage on Bangladesh and it probably will. Of course, on the other hand BAF is almost non existent.

But we don't really need BAF to inflict real damage on IAF. Majority of IAF Eastern Command critical bases within less than 120km of BD. The advantage of proximate Geography goes both ways.

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We saw with GMLRS in Ukraine what precision guided Rocket artillery can do. Bangladesh has 1x Regiment of TRG-300 which has 120km range and high precision capability with anti-jamming feature.

Keep in mind of North of BD has relatively denser vegetation. Our GMLRS batteries would be incredibly hard to find and destroy. (World 'second most powerful army' couldn't destroy more than 3 or 4 HIMARS launchers in Ukraine after 2 years of war.)

Also, Hassina previously mentioned Army is buying tactical ballistic missile. Which was then reported to be Turkish Khan with 280km range. That would significantly increase the reach of Bangladesh army.

On the other hand, S400 proven to be terrible against GMLRS and ATACMS. And AKASH + MRSAM is not designed to intercept ballistic targets. (MRSAM will likely have some success) Though India has limited strategic BMD, that is not deployable in the region. Nor those systems are optimized against intercepting $100k guided rockets.

In any full scale war scenario, Bangaldesh armed forces have the ability to damage IAF Eastern Command capabilities in the North. Leaving the frontier exposed to PLA and PLAAF.

Also, keep in mind in such war
China would likely flood us with intelligence and targeting data. They have tons of great assets for that and more importantly they can do that wihtout any cost or risk from within their sovereign territory. And there is not much India could do about it.

There is no reason for India to initiate armed conflict with Bangladesh unless we invade or threaten their territory. Which is never gonna happen. Only Bhakts lunatics think it make sense to initiate armed hostilities with a new set of 175 millions while already having two nuclear armed adversaries (one is almost a superpower) on its border with active claim on its sovereign territories and who fought wars against India in the past for it.

@Oscar @Bengal71

Bangladesh cannot defend against India. Indian naval blockade will eliminate fuel supplies. End of discussion and war. At worst you are looking at collapse of Bangladeshi economy and civil society. At best you are looking at life in the 18th century.
 
Form the battlefield. Either Shaheed or Gazi. @Mr X see it was a war my brother.

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Challo, the only thing that was (truly) missing in this Topic was the ISI angle - by Arnab Goswhatzhisface.

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If India wants to give Pakistan's ISI the credit for removing Sheikh Hasina - and the people are happy, I guess we'll take it.

What happened to one of the World's Fastest Growing Economy, GDP, Trip to the Moon Nation...?!!

Abhe bhee ISI say phati hai...

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Bangladesh army refused to suppress protest, sealing Hasina’s fate: report

General Wakeruz Zaman, who is related to Hasina by marriage, had showed signs of wavering in his support for the prime minister on Saturday.

The night before long-time leader Sheikh Hasina abruptly fled Bangladesh amid deadly protests, her army chief held a meeting with his generals and decided that troops would not open fire on civilians to enforce a curfew, two serving army officers with knowledge of the discussions told Reuters.

General Wakeruz Zaman then reached out to Hasina’s office, conveying to the prime minister that his soldiers would be unable to implement the lockdown she had called for, according to an Indian official briefed on the matter.

The message was clear, the official said: Hasina no longer had the army’s support.

Details of the online meeting between military top brass and the message to Hasina that she had lost their backing have not previously been reported.

They help to explain how Hasina’s 15-year rule, during which she brooked little dissent, came to such a chaotic and sudden end on Monday, when she fled from Bangladesh to India.

The nationwide curfew had been imposed after at least 91 people were killed and hundreds injured in nationwide clashes on Sunday, the deadliest day since student-led protests against Hasina began in July.

Army spokesman Lt. Col. confirmed the Sunday evening discussions, which he described as a regular meeting to take updates after any disturbance. He did not provide details when presented with additional questions about decision-making at that meeting.

Hasina could not be reached and her son and advisor, Sajeeb Wazed, did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

Reuters spoke to ten people familiar with the events of the past week, including four serving army officers and two other informed sources in Bangladesh, to piece together the final 48 hours of Hasina’s reign. Many of them spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter.

Hasina, who has ruled Bangladesh for 20 of the last 30 years, was elected to a fourth term leading the country of 170 million in January, after arresting thousands of opposition leaders and workers. That election was boycotted by her main rivals.

Her iron-fisted grasp on power has been challenged since summer by protests triggered by a court ruling to reserve government jobs — heavily coveted amid high youth unemployment — for certain segments of the population. The decision was overturned but the demonstrations had quickly morphed into a movement to oust Hasina.

Zaman has not publicly explained his decision to withdraw support from Hasina. But the scale of the protests and a death toll of at least 241 made supporting Hasina at all costs untenable, three former senior Bangladesh army officers told Reuters.

“There was a lot of uneasiness within the troops,” said retired Brig. Gen. M. Sakhawat Hossain. “That is what probably (put) pressure on the chief of army staff, because the troops are out and they are seeing what is happening.”

Zaman, who is related to Hasina by marriage, had showed signs of wavering in his support for the prime minister on Saturday, when he sat on an ornate wooden chair and addressed hundreds of uniformed officers in a town hall meeting. The military later made some details of that discussion public.

The general declared that lives had to be protected and called on his officers to show patience, said army spokesman Chowdhury.

It was the first indication that Bangladesh’s army would not forcefully suppress the violent demonstrations, leaving Hasina vulnerable.

Retired senior soldiers such as Brig. Gen. Mohammad Shahedul Anam Khan were among those who defied the curfew on Monday and took to the streets.

“We were not stopped by the army,” said Khan, a former infantry soldier. “The army has done what he had promised the army would do.”

On Monday, the first full day of the indefinite nationwide curfew, Hasina was holed up inside the Ganabhaban, or “People’s Palace”, a heavily-guarded complex in the capital Dhaka that serves as her official residence.

Outside, on the streets of the sprawling city, crowds gathered. Tens of thousands of people had answered protest leaders’ call for a march to oust the leader, streaming into the heart of the city.

With the situation spiralling out of her control, the 76-year-old leader decided to flee the country on Monday morning, according to the Indian official and two Bangladesh nationals familiar with the matter.

Hasina and her sister, who lives in London but was in Dhaka at the time, discussed the matter and flew out together, according to a Bangladesh source. They left for India around lunch, local time.

Indian foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar told parliament on Tuesday that New Delhi had urged “various political forces with whom we were in touch” to resolve the situation via dialogue throughout July.

But as crowds gathered in Dhaka on Monday ignoring the curfew, Hasina decided to resign “after a meeting with leaders of the security establishment”, he added. “At very short notice, she requested approval to come for the moment to India.”

A second Indian official said it was “diplomatically” conveyed to Hasina that her stay had to be temporary for fear of negatively impacting Delhi’s ties with the next government in Dhaka. India’s Ministry of External Affairs did not immediately return a request for comment.

Nobel laureate Muhammad Yunus, whom the protesting students want to lead the interim government after Hasina’s ouster, told The New Indian Express newspaper that India had “good ties with the wrong people… Please revisit your foreign policy.”

Yunus wasn’t immediately available for an interview.

Late in the afternoon on Monday, a Bangladesh Air Force C130 transport aircraft landed at Hindon air base outside Delhi, with Hasina on board.

There, she was met by Ajit Doval, India’s powerful national security advisor, according to the Indian security official.

Delhi had fought to carve Bangladesh out of East Pakistan in 1971. After Hasina’s father was assassinated in 1975, Hasina took refuge in India for years and built deep links with her neighbour’s political elite.

Returning to Bangladesh, she gained power in 1996, and was seen as more sensitive to India’s security concerns than her political rivals. The Hindu-majority nation also regarded her secular stance as favourable for the 13 million Hindus in Bangladesh.

But back in Bangladesh, resentment still lingered even among retired soldiers that Hasina had been allowed to leave.

“Personally, I feel that she should not have been given a safe passage,” said Khan, the veteran. “That was a folly.”
 
I don't think it will be 6 months. BNP wants immediate election, but the students demanded reform first and then election. Public sympathy is with students and it will be wise for BNP to not fight it. They already made a mess of things by having a party rally yesterday, while the country is still mourning and law and order is still not restored.

My guess is there will be a 3rd or 4th party popping up as well.

So it will be around 1 to 2 year tenure of interim govt at least.

Definitely. Don't fall for the trap of holding new elections ASAP, Bangladesh needs interim government for 1 year minimum, to make major reforms in to the electrol and government system, to select people on merit to civil servants, make police reforms, health reforms, tax reforms, upgrade the nation to modern standards. By one year we will witness a few new political parties backed by clean politicians, youth, professionals and then finally go for elections under a powerful independent Election commission who's job is to hold free and fair elections.

Bangladesh will come out strong
 
My take on this is that a carefully crafted entity of India and RAW has come crashing down!

Seeing Bangladeshi's pull down Shaikh Mujibs statues all over the country reminds me of what happened in Iraq in 2003.
 
Bhai re, you won't understand. This was not a peaceful revolution. They killed more than 1000 kids and injured Allah knows how many. They did not even spare toddlers.

Hasina did all these crime with direct assistance of India. Many said, Indian fauzi was killing our kids in Bd police/BDR uniform.

We are mad as he'll and any sign of Awami and India will be burn down to ground.

How would Indian soldiers be in Bangladesh wearing Bangladeshi uniforms and helping to crush the uprising? Doubt its true.
 
@Nilgiri and @Joe Shearer :
Please see this. I respectfully disagree with your posts. I don't want to go anymore Off topic than already been but you two are among my favorites from India so good to hear from you after a long time.
But a few words: Stability, whether Right or Left wing, brutal or benevolent, can lift nations to the next stage by educating more people--and 'education' in every sense of the word--and moving people up on the Maslow's Pyramid. In that sense, Hasina seemed to have unshackled BD from the long era of instability since 1971. Even the images of the protestors on the street show people in much better shape/clothed than 12-15 years ago. I believe same is happening in India but its just that India's problem is too many Indians! And I think, for all its fault, Stalin lifted the Soviets higher--he even lifted the 'Stans higher.
Maybe we touch upon these topics in another thread.

It boils down to "was it worth the cost" (the stability you say)....was the same or better stability possible with another arc of folks running the show in same time period.

These are not easy derivations to find, but the answers do strike some intriniscally if

a) they have a staunch morality based set of core principles applied consistently
b) were close enough/seen enough close at hand to come to the same thing as a)

This is why I abhor Stalin. I abhor "even" Lenin. What they threw away recklessly and the costs that impacted, once you know the stories in the sufficient 99th percentile detail possible....the stability wrought was a fake thing once you know enough on that too, the details. Details matter....the fine print matters. Each one was a human life, and if innocent human life is a sacred sacrosanct thing....the cost computation becomes very apparent and brazen.

People notice and make fun of the certain larper/jester (doing his Fez wearing routine to try ladle his non-organic 19th century ottoman, his own words describing himself, on this thread in his own repetitive way)....but really its just a jester routine in end whether you throw a crown on him or not, he is harmless type as he's tucked away and looking for something here he cannot get in real life.

It is actual Turks (that called him out) that I made good friends with since they called him out in basic way (he doesnt know Turkish, we don't know why he's doing this etc). It was one of these Turkish friends I recently got interested in Dostoevsky, and only maybe next year when he is done with both crime and punishment and the brothers karamazov....can I then explain to him (because he is a worthy trusted one)....what really went on in Russia 19th-20th century transition wise and why.

Why the erosion of the limiting principle for convenience and claims of statist-altruistic utopia happened and how.

Why Dostoevsky clearly abhorred this and feared this in society....for society needs some great staunch principles of purpose and meaning, that altruism has to be done at the social level, not the govt level especially a totalitarian "might makes right" one....that things never ought to be ever whittled down for a few people's convenience to make this all so.

These are the things that matter in the end. The costs that matter.

This is why you will find Bongs here who disagree on this very same thing concerning SHW and BAL. Some saw the costs much more than others did. Others also simply are willing to foresake/overlook or dismiss things for veneer of stability, many things that really ought not to be. They often do not comprehend what stability even is to begin with, how to forge it and how and why.
 

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