Maldives sacks multiple ministers to pacify India

[Waz]

On the other hand lakshadweep will be made next maldives with indian economic might and most of the western and indian tourist will prefer lakshadweep then.
Indian govt took maldives for granted but their ministers showed them their real face.
Maldives is full of snakes and its high time india should show this puny country its true value.

Western tourists I doubt, but your own yes.

 

[Waz]

"Can be" is not "will be". And no, replacing with western tourist require action on western tourist front. Why will they preferably come to one specific group of islands in middle of nowhere? IF what you are saying was correct, resorts in Maldives would be booking western tourists preferably. No one likes to leave money on the table.

Besides, India is not even playing hard-ball here -- which it can very well. Its just some Indian Individuals on twitter reacting. There has not been one single word about Maldives from the government side in India.

The lies spread by Muizzu were rather very weird. He claimed there were 1000s of Indian soldiers in Maldives building bases. Now in power he has not been able to find those 1000s.

It's already happening and I put links which have been convienantley ignored just to push the whole 'we will smash the Maldives narrative'. When A listers, Hollywood stars, western tourists in reaching 100,000 from individual countries are coming you can't discount that as 'might be'.
You're right the government hasn't said anything, this was a point I made earlier and it will all blow over.
I didn't think there was even a hundred troops there. I believe some observation post and a rescue station to help the tourist areas.

 

[kambhakt]

Nations should not seek purely minds of other nations. Material gains matter much more. For instance, after helping East Pakistan become independent, we should have solved all enclaves and exclaves in favour of Bangladesh in return of leasing a corridor through Bangladesh to support an alternative path to our north eastern states and should have constructed a Road and a railway line on it... may be by employing Bangladeshi workers of that time. All we did was to celebrate that we won. Winning is not enough, converting wins into gains matter more.

We commissioned the Farraka Barrage in 1972. Immediately after the war. It was I believe met by resistance from the Bangla Desi. The Ahsaan Faramosh. Cannot let their farmers get ruined even when we gave them freedom.

 

[Jbgt90tankguy]

There was, in earlier times, a policy to restrict tourism so as to restrict the ecological footprint. That is obviously going to take a dive now. Expect a 75' statue of Hanuman, and a miniature of the Ayodhya Ram Mandir, and ₹600 a day lodges, daily flights, and crowds around beaches for westerners go about in swimming costumes. Ask the Goans.
@Jbgt90tankguy

There was, in earlier times, a policy to restrict road-building and major works in the unstable Himalayas. The contractors who run a certain political party sold them the line that this was pusillanimous, and conditions in the foothills were identical to the plateau these reached, and now there is one disaster a month there.

First of all Lakshadweep hasen't got the infrastructure to support a rapid influx of tourists, secondly they don't have five star capabilities' like Maldives does.
Goa for example has built its infra over the past five decades and yes its lost all its charm and become a concrete jungle with loud to very loud obnoxious people who visit there who have forced the total social fabric change. Now a day you can actually find places open between 1-4 in the afternoon . :lol:
By the way its still cheaper to fly to the Maldives then to Lakshadweep.

 

[Joe Shearer]

We commissioned the Farraka Barrage in 1972. Immediately after the war. It was I believe met by resistance from the Bangla Desi. The Ahsaan Faramosh. Cannot let their farmers get ruined even when we gave them freedom.

I have a LOT to say on that, in hydrological terms. The Farakka Barrage has ruined both West Bengal and East Bengal. It is true that such a ruin is also tied up with the DVC. The entire ecosystem is changed, and is unsustainable. Never again will we see destroyers docked at Man'o'War Jetty in Calcutta. Or ocean liners, like the one my grandparents took in 1960 when they took their first overseas holiday to see my uncle training to induct the Alize into the FAA.

 

[Afif]

Most of the time, its the needs of others that help you the most. A young nation with deep wounds and neglect. Give its leaders a cause to sell celebration to its population and they will happily sell your agenda. A nation that was crushed by those who were supposed to protect it.... Give it some small victories (like enclave exclave situation). They will convince themselves that they won. Meanwhile milk the situation in your favour.

Its a weird kind of pity that we never ever tried to even solve the enclave exclave situation till Modi of all people arrived on the scene. We are truely penny wise pound foolish. If I had IG level popularity, I would have gladly solved Enclave Exclave situation in a manner that helps Bangladeshi leaders the most and asked for concessions in connecting north east. Heck I could have sold it as connection to old Kolkata and "reunification" of Banglas. You know, Bangladeshi and Indians still like to travel across the border there.

But then IG was surely more shrewd than me. Lord know what was she thinking.

India already has enough concessions from BD. You have access to our ports, transit to North East. (with unreasonably low transit fees.)

Enclave was an issue. But wasn't the main issue. Water sharing is. India should have signed the Tista agreement. Instead they played us and said, 'oh we really want to sign it but its all Mamata Banerjee's fault.'

Which of course is a very bad excuse.
And now I am worry what will happen when Ganga treaty will expire in 2026.

In principle, India has a perception problem in BD as a good faith actor. Almost every trade deals seems to be one sided. Not very mutually beneficial.

What usually end up happening is, given the current government is illegitimate, its primary job is to get political support from foreign powers in exchange for (very often) one sides trade agreement. not necessarily to cut a fair and beneficial deal for the country.

billions dollars adani power deal is a recent exmaple. Only reason Hassina gave it to Adani becuase Modi asked her too. And now we have to pay three time extra to buy the same power that we could have gotten from our own powerplants with much less. BD is a very poor country and genuinely cannot afford such political appeasement deals. Thus, for public's perception, it appears that India is exploiting us. And in this case, it is actually very true.

Hence, the problem seems to be with India's BD policy, it is a short term thinking about how can much we get by any mean as long as Hassina is in power. Otherwise, if India's stablishment really wanted a long term state to state relation (independent of whatever party is in power in either countries) based on trust and mutual benefits, Modi should have never pressed for such an extremely unfair deal. (And now we are hearing, the deal could be even legally void)

What will end up happening in the future is, anytime the illegal government slipps from power the next government will be very cautious and distrustful of India and understandably so based on previous experience of exploitation, and may even try decoupling on some fronts.

In short, India foreign policy fails to capitalize on good opportunities when it's there, yet jump on short term bad opportunities and extend itself too much.

And right now India cannot even fully trust Hassina, because economy is going more and more in the gutter and she is becoming isolated as US ramp up its pressure gradually, yet India cannot do much to help her. So, she already started to lean more and more guess where? Where the power and money is, and It's PRC. She seems to realise if USA and west goes all in, only PRC will be able to provide her with political and economic shelter to the extent that she needs.
So don't be too surprised if you see another submarine deal. (This time good ones)

 

[Joe Shearer]

India already has enough concessions from BD. You have access to our ports, transit to North East. (with unreasonably low transit fees.)

Enclave was an issue. But wasn't the main issue. Water sharing is. India should have signed the Tista agreement. Instead they played us and said, 'oh we really want to sign it but its all Mamata Banerjee's fault.'

Which of course is a very bad excuse.
And now I am worry what will happen when Ganga treaty will expire in 2026.

In principle, India has a perception problem in BD as a good faith actor. Almost every trade deals seems to be one sided. Not very mutually beneficial.

What usually end up happening is, given the current government is illegitimate, its primary job is to get political support from foreign powers in exchange for (very often) one sides trade agreement. not necessarily to cut a fair and beneficial deal for the country.

billions dollars adani power deal is a recent exmaple. Only reason Hassina gave it to Adani becuase Modi asked her too. And now we have to pay three time extra to buy the same power that we could have gotten from our own powerplants with much less. BD is a very poor country and genuinely cannot afford such political appeasement deals. Thus, for public's perception, it appears that India is exploiting us. And in this case, it is actually very true.

Hence, the problem seems to be with India's BD policy, it is a short term thinking about how can much we get by any mean as long as Hassina is in power. Otherwise, if India's stablishment really wanted a long term state to state relation (independent of whatever party is in power in either countries) based on trust and mutual benefits, Modi should have never pressed for such an extremely unfair deal. (And now we are hearing, the deal could be even legally void)

What will end up happening in the future is, anytime the illegal government slipps from power the next government will be very cautious and distrustful of India and understandably so based on previous experience of exploitation, and may even try decoupling on some fronts.

In short, India foreign policy fails to capitalize on good opportunities when it's there, yet jump on short term bad opportunities and extend itself too much.

And right now India cannot even fully trust Hassina, becuase economy is going more and more in the gutter and she is becoming isolated as US ramp up its pressure gradually, yet India cannot do much to help her. So, she already started to lean more and more guess where? Where the power and money is, and It's PRC. She seems to realise if USA and west goes all in, only PRC will be able to provide her with political and economic shelter to the extent that she needs.
So don't be too surprised if see another submarine deal. (This time good ones)

Sadly, this is the brutal reality.

 

[spammmmer]

Western tourists I doubt, but your own yes.

There is nothing which maldives has and lakshdweep not in terms of natural beauty and infrastructure can be developed easily.
And obviously we can imbalance maldives both politically and economically in not so ethical ways if time comes as their prime minister is crying to get indian military out but its not happening.

 

[Joe Shearer]

infrastructure can be developed easily.

It cannot.
Let us not be delusional.

 

[Joe Shearer]

And obviously we can imbalance maldives both politically and economically in not so ethical ways if time comes as their prime minister is crying to get indian military out but its not happening.

It is sad that this is even thought about.

 

[Developereo]

The top 5 markets for Maldives thus far this year are Russia, India, UK, China and Germany.

All they need to do is to open a casino. They will be flooded with Chinese tourists.

 

[Bigda_Jatt]

The Maldives is massively popular with western tourists including film stars etc whose average spend per visit is much higher than a dozen middle class Indian families.
Yes a snub may hurt a bit but can be offset.

The popular Daily Mail had an article on this today;

How A-listers are ditching Dubai because its 'the new Magaluf'

The modern desert metropolis of Dubai has built its flashy reputation as being the go-to destination for celebrities and holidaymakers but its dominance could be ending.

www.dailymail.co.uk

With Dubai now relegated to also ran, many more Hollywood A-listers are flocking to the Maldives attracted by the pristine white beaches and luxury resorts including the Oblu Select Lobigili hotel.

The hotel stretches out to sea and even includes an underwater restaurant - perfect for Instagrams.

Among the most popular of the Maldives' inhabited islands is Maafushi, which offers an abundance of beach bars, restaurants, water sports and snorkelling tours.

Other hotspots on the archipelago include the Conrad Maldives Rangali Island where the Kardashians are known to frequent.

What about medicines, Food, Water, and humanitarian support during natural calamity? can the West replace India from that position, if yes then that should not worry Maldives...

 

[Waz]

What about medicines, Food, Water, and humanitarian support during natural calamity? can the West replace India from that position, if yes then that should not worry Maldives...

This has already been talked about i.e. India is important here. However you decide to go down that route then nations like China and western states will come to their aid.

 

[Waz]

All they need to do is to open a casino. They will be flooded with Chinese tourists.

Lol.

 

[Waz]

There is nothing which maldives has and lakshdweep not in terms of natural beauty and infrastructure can be developed easily.
And obviously we can imbalance maldives both politically and economically in not so ethical ways if time comes as their prime minister is crying to get indian military out but its not happening.

Aside infrastructure, popularity of being a top notch destination for the last 40 years etc. Yes it can be developed in India.
Of course their PM does care about relations hence his actions.