Afghanistan: General News and Discussion

[hussain0216]

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this is the minister of education ...

Whichever society women have gone into higher education in mass, has resulted in the spread of feminism, the destruction of marriage rates and birth rates collapsing resulting in major demographic issues

Iran is a Muslim country, however the Islamic Republic pushed education for all, a normally commendable action, but it resulted in the same demographic pressure and collapse of marriage rates and the same women who benefited from the access to education becoming a tool against Iran.

I mostly see the Afghans as dumb as bricks but they have a viewpoint that may end up preserving their society

 

[BP2]

Taliban bans women’s voices, bare faces in public under new vice laws in Afghanistan​

The Frontier Post

KABUL (AP): Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers have issued a ban on women’s voices and bare faces in public under new laws approved by the supreme leader in efforts to combat vice and promote virtue.

The laws were issued Wednesday after they were approved by supreme leader Hibatullah Akhundzada, a government spokesman said. The Taliban had set up a ministry for the “propagation of virtue and the prevention of vice” after seizing power in 2021.

The ministry published its vice and virtue laws on Wednesday that cover aspects of everyday life like public transportation, music, shaving and celebrations.

They are set out in a 114-page, 35-article document seen by The Associated Press and are the first formal declaration of vice and virtue laws in Afghanistan since the takeover.

Vice and Virtue Ministry officials were not immediately available for comment about the laws.

The laws empower the ministry to be at the frontline of cracking down on personal conduct, administering punishments like warnings or arrest if they allege Afghans have broken the laws.

Article 13 relates to women. It says it is mandatory for a woman to veil her body at all times in public and that a face covering is essential to avoid temptation and tempting others. Clothing should not be thin, tight or short.

Muslim women are obliged to cover themselves in front of non-Muslim males and females to avoid being corrupted. A woman’s voice is deemed intimate and so should not be heard singing, reciting poetry, or reading aloud in public. It is forbidden for women to look at men they are not related to by blood or marriage and vice versa.

Article 17 bans the publication of images of living beings, which threatens an already fragile Afghan media landscape.

Article 19 bans the playing of music, the transportation of solo female travelers, and the mixing of men and women who are not related to each other. The law also obliges passengers and drivers to perform prayers at designated times.

Last month, a UN report said the ministry was contributing to a climate of fear and intimidation among Afghans through edicts and the methods used to enforce them.

It said the ministry’s role was expanding into other areas of public life, including media monitoring and eradicating drug addiction.

“Given the multiple issues outlined in the report, the position expressed by the de facto authorities that this oversight will be increasing and expanding gives cause for significant concern for all Afghans, especially women and girls,” said Fiona Frazer, the head of the human rights service at the UN mission in Afghanistan.

The islam we absolutely fear in the west...

 

[Persian Gulf]

Whichever society women have gone into higher education in mass, has resulted in the spread of feminism, the destruction of marriage rates and birth rates collapsing resulting in major demographic issues

that's not your call to make ... I feel sorry for the women in your life ...

 

[hussain0216]

that's not your call to make ... I feel sorry for the women in your life ...

The women are fine, I see the demographic disaster in the west
I see first hand the consequences for feminism, the effect on the marriage and relationship system and collapse of the birth rate

I've come to the conclusion, that whilst Islam promotes education, it also promotes a range of other advice/commands that if not adhered to will lead to the societal collapse we see in multiple countries now

Whilst in the past I would be right along his you in agreement and condemn the Taliban

Today I am wondering if such measures will preserve their culture and people and system better then the alternative we are suggesting

 

[Skukuza]

I told my wife about the Afghan laws. She laughed hysterically told me I was kidding until I Googled the article and showed it to her. She was dumbfounded that any government could pass such laws. We don't and can't understand the rationale behind these laws. We have Muslims in our country. Some staunch and some liberal but they do not practice their religion to this extent (I'm still confused whether this is Islam laws). Most of the Muslims I have come across allow their daughters and female members to educate themselves. I recently consulted with a Muslim accountant whose wife works with him. She is fully covered.

 

[Starlord]

Umar Ibn Khattab RA have women market officers under his rule, more than half of Hadith comes from Prophets Wives RA, Ayesha RA lead an Army, Women were allowed in public/mosques and yet these Afghans are against all of that... If Rasool Allah was alive today these Taliban cut his throat as well for going against Shariah law.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[LeGenD]

Whichever society women have gone into higher education in mass, has resulted in the spread of feminism, the destruction of marriage rates and birth rates collapsing resulting in major demographic issues

Iran is a Muslim country, however the Islamic Republic pushed education for all, a normally commendable action, but it resulted in the same demographic pressure and collapse of marriage rates and the same women who benefited from the access to education becoming a tool against Iran.

I mostly see the Afghans as dumb as bricks but they have a viewpoint that may end up preserving their society

Educated women are better equipped to support families and contribute in all fields.

Some countries have embraced Feminism on a political level and do not value institution of marriage or nuclear family tradition. These countries have people who encourage others to sleep around and find pleasure in it. This is a faulty system and culture that leads to "the destruction of marriage rates and birth rates collapsing resulting in major demographic issues." But there is no need to adopt this system.

An Islamic country can have the best of both worlds. Education and a system that values institution of marriage and nuclear family tradition.

Education stops you from pointing out issues in Feminism? It is rather helpful. If an institution stops you from pointing out issues in Feminism then in this case the state should give you the option to report it for not allowing freedom of expression in true academic spirit. This is the solution.

 

[hussain0216]

Educated women are better equipped to support families and contribute in all fields.

Some countries have embraced Feminism on a political level and do not value institution of marriage or nuclear family tradition. These countries have people who encourage others to sleep around and find pleasure in it. This is a faulty system and culture that leads to "the destruction of marriage rates and birth rates collapsing resulting in major demographic issues." But there is no need to adopt this system.

An Islamic country can have the best of both worlds. Education and a system that values institution of marriage and nuclear family tradition.

Education stops you from pointing out issues in Feminism? It is rather helpful. If an institution stops you from pointing out issues of Feminism then in this case the state should give you the option to report it for not allowing freedom of expression in true academic spirit. This is the solution.

Fundamentally I agree with you

I come from a educated family where the women of my family were educated, except for my mother was a traditional Pakistani mother

Now it was that traditional religious part from both my mother and father then kept our family in check in the west, the teaching of faith and morals and values etc

But the results are clear

Female empowerment has resulted REPEATEDLY in multiple nations the failure of marriage, sky rocketing divorce rates and birth rates collapsing.

Every nation that has pushed female education faces demographic crisis today

It has repeatedly led to a situation where women prioritise education, career above family
Educated women then have much more expectations upon men, fewer men fullfil those expectations and marriages become rarer with more issues and problem and high risk of failure and divorce wirh wives unwilling to fulfil the traditional duties of a wife

It's also creates a situation in society where women are added to the workforce, but additional jobs may be limited so it drives down wages and over time in the west instead of ONE MAN wage being sufficient for a home, now it's impossible to survive without a wife's income
Also putting your wife in contact with other men In close situations in work environments


I could go on

Once again I come from a educated family, but everywhere female education has been pushed has created a demographic crisis and family crisis
ONLY strict adherence to islam can balance this out and IN GENERAL we fail to implement islam

It will be interesting to see if the Taliban are right in limiting female education and what effect.it has on their society

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

1) There were many American people who opposed the Afghanistan war.
2) Afghan Taliban won the war in Afghanistan, Afghan Taliban are now back in power.

 

[LeGenD]

Fundamentally I agree with you

I come from a educated family where the women of my family were educated, except for my mother was a traditional Pakistani mother

Now it was that traditional religious part from both my mother and father then kept our family in check in the west, the teaching of faith and morals and values etc

But the results are clear

Female empowerment has resulted REPEATEDLY in multiple nations the failure of marriage, sky rocketing divorce rates and birth rates collapsing.

Every nation that has pushed female education faces demographic crisis today

It has repeatedly led to a situation where women prioritise education, career above family
Educated women then have much more expectations upon men, fewer men fullfil those expectations and marriages become rarer with more issues and problem and high risk of failure and divorce wirh wives unwilling to fulfil the traditional duties of a wife

It's also creates a situation in society where women are added to the workforce, but additional jobs may be limited so it drives down wages and over time in the west instead of ONE MAN wage being sufficient for a home, now it's impossible to survive without a wife's income
Also putting your wife in contact with other men In close situations in work environments


I could go on

Once again I come from a educated family, but everywhere female education has been pushed has created a demographic crisis and family crisis
ONLY strict adherence to islam can balance this out and IN GENERAL we fail to implement islam

It will be interesting to see if the Taliban are right in limiting female education and what effect.it has on their society

Mate, the FIRST message from Allah Almighty to the prophet (PBUH) was to "read":

‘Read in The Name of Thy Lord’ - The Muslim 500

[cs_content_seo]‘Read in The Name of Thy Lord’ by Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi The first word of the Holy Quran that was revealed, ‘Read’, (Iqra’ ْٱقْرَأ ) (Quran: 96:1), brought the com mand to read ahead of any other religious command. We might imagine a series of commands that may seem to some people...

themuslim500.com

Education is a human right or one can say a God given right to all humans. Education provides opportunities to all and is at the core of creating a civilization.

There are many educated women who support their families in current times, some do more than men to support their families. It is important to understand the value of these contributions.

Marriage is not a requirement for a woman to live her life and have income, it is a choice. For a man, if a woman likes you and wants to marry you by her own free will (or accepts your marriage proposal) then she is the best one for you. On the flip side, a man should strive to be a good husband as well. Children are best raised in a healthy nuclear family wherein both husband and wife have a good relationship dynamic.

Some countries have a faulty political system and culture that ruins womanhood. However, an Islamic country can have the best of both worlds: education and a system that values institution of marriage and nuclear family tradition.

In current times, an educated wife is your best bet and option. If something happens to you, who will take care of your wife and properties? You want another man to take it all? Think about it.

 

[Raiden]

This is good, Afghanistan must get rid of enemy's society influences, in particular on how women should dress.

The emirate won the war and carries the flag of Islam. Now their mandate is to enforce and impose Islam and subjugate anything un-Islamic that the 20 years occupation brought to Afghanistan.

 

[Raiden]

The islam we absolutely fear in the west...

InshaAllah all women in Paris will dress like that in the coming future.

I heard Islam will be majority in France in a century or two. Alhamdulillah

 

[Raiden]

Mate, the FIRST message from Allah Almighty to the prophet (PBUH) was to "read":

‘Read in The Name of Thy Lord’ - The Muslim 500

[cs_content_seo]‘Read in The Name of Thy Lord’ by Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi The first word of the Holy Quran that was revealed, ‘Read’, (Iqra’ ْٱقْرَأ ) (Quran: 96:1), brought the com mand to read ahead of any other religious command. We might imagine a series of commands that may seem to some people...

themuslim500.com

Education is a human right or one can say a God given right to all humans. Education provides opportunities to all and is at the core of creating a civilization.

There are many educated women who support their families in current times, some do more than men to support their families. It is important to understand the value of these contributions.

Marriage is not a requirement for a woman to live her life and have income, it is a choice. For a man, if a woman likes you and wants to marry you by her own free will (or accepts your marriage proposal) then she is the best one for you. On the flip side, a man should strive to be a good husband as well. Children are best raised in a healthy nuclear family wherein both husband and wife have a good relationship dynamic.

Some countries have a faulty political system and culture that ruins womanhood. However, an Islamic country can have the best of both worlds: education and a system that values institution of marriage and nuclear family tradition.

In current times, an educated wife is your best bet and option. If something happens to you, who will take care of your wife and properties? You want another man to take it all? Think about it.

John Glubb, the author of the "fate of empire" Identify that woman empowerment always happened on a country/society in decline.

Feminism and it's obsession with education and equality with men is what happenhappened in classical Rome and medieval Baghdad just right before they collapse.

The author also noticed the rise of women singers, in which the Taliban has also banned

 

[Indos]

This is good, Afghanistan must get rid of enemy's society influences, in particular on how women should dress.

The emirate won the war and carries the flag of Islam. Now their mandate is to enforce and impose Islam and subjugate anything un-Islamic that the 20 years occupation brought to Afghanistan.

I believe you are actually an agent here

Very strange member who say Islam is anti democracy, bla, bla...

While you are also pro F15 acquisition and anti KF21 program.....

Very anti China....

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