Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Persian Gulf]

Saudi Arabia let Iraq lose against Iran in the 80s,

If by 'let lose' you mean cut diplomatic relations with Iran and fund Iraq's war with billions of dollars of loans then sure.

 

[r3alist]

@Meengla @FOOLS_NIGHTMARE @The SC @Persian Gulf @UKBengali @MS Sandhu @mulj

Guys, at 29 min, watch for just a min or two

The entire dynamic I was referring to explained here, this is over 10 years old, it's just said casually in a few sentences

Do you guys know who Bernard Lewis is? Surely you must, he is the senior scholar doyen of Zionism, he explains islam to the west to allow Israel to be the way it is, he has been a crucial player in this, just for your awareness

What does he simply say, Israel is a startup nation (from help), Arabs will be insignificant after oil, Israel simply needs to survive until oil becomes less relevant and Israel becomes the centre of technology


That's the crux, let them drawdown on their oil, we will dominate tech, the rest takes care of it self

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[Meengla]

Do you guys know who Bernard Lewis is? Surely you must, he is the senior scholar doyen of Zionism, he explains islam to the west to allow Israel to be the way it is, he has been a crucial player in this, just for your awareness

I saw him advocating the attack on Iraq in 2003, coming on American shows all the time. Another Israel-firster hidden in plain sight, engineering wars to benefit Israel. But I think he's dead for a while now.
As for the prophesies, scriptures, analyses, predictions... none matters in the real world: It will be the war that will decide for Palestinians, just like wars decided the fates of nations and people. In that sense, whatever Bernard Lewis said, doesn't matter to me.

 

[r3alist]

I saw him advocating the attack on Iraq in 2003, coming on American shows all the time. Another Israel-firster hidden in plain sight, engineering wars to benefit Israel. But I think he's dead for a while now.
As for the prophesies, scriptures, analyses, predictions... none matters in the real world: It will be the war that will decide for Palestinians, just like wars decided the fates of nations and people. In that sense, whatever Bernard Lewis said, doesn't matter to me.

This isn't a prophecy lol



It's an explanation of how the conditions will be created for what we see here right now, without pliant gulf states this would not happen, the ground was being prepared

It's the most real world analysis there is, from the side that actually did some analysis!

 

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Translation... If other Muslim nations react it can be dangerous for Israel. But we all know Muslim nations are pathetic cowards corrupt impotent and Munafiqs... So they will not react...

Actual results of this useless statement.... nothing will happen to Israel, it has the right and green light to exterminate all Muslims Palestinians, Pakistani, Arab, ... Whoever.

 

[Meengla]

This isn't a prophecy lol



It's an explanation of how the conditions will be created for what we see here right now, without pliant gulf states this would not happen, the ground was being prepared
It's the most real world analysis there is, from the side that actually did some analysis!

Even so, absolutely nothing matters on the ground except the actual conflict. He had his opinion/analyses and then there are the prophesies and scriptures. If we in a little forum like these are aware of it then those who have the real stakes would certainly know about them.
Israel's plans have not been hidden from anyone.
I try to focus on the Israeli economy, the Israeli losses on the battlefields, the actions of the anti-Israel forces, the emigration of people from Israel, the internal divisions in Israel, the budding anti-Israel movements in America. Those are the most important factors in this conflict.

 

[lightning f57]

@Meengla @FOOLS_NIGHTMARE @The SC @Persian Gulf @UKBengali @MS Sandhu @mulj

Guys, at 29 min, watch for just a min or two

The entire dynamic I was referring to explained here, this is over 10 years old, it's just said casually in a few sentences

Do you guys know who Bernard Lewis is? Surely you must, he is the senior scholar doyen of Zionism, he explains islam to the west to allow Israel to be the way it is, he has been a crucial player in this, just for your awareness

What does he simply say, Israel is a startup nation (from help), Arabs will be insignificant after oil, Israel simply needs to survive until oil becomes less relevant and Israel becomes the centre of technology


That's the crux, let them drawdown on their oil, we will dominate tech, the rest takes care of it self

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His got it backwards, the oil has made the arab leaders scared and fragile. Give thr Palestinians the tools to fight the aparthied state properly and it will cease to exist. The old arabs without oil were a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Meengla]

His got it backwards, the oil has made the arab leaders scared and fragile. Give thr Palestinians the tools to fight the aparthied state properly and it will cease to exist. The old arabs without oil were a force to be reckoned with.

Prosperity makes everyone 'soft'. Even Israel.

And the less you have, the more you can afford to lose. Look at the Houthis. Would Yemen acted so boldly, so dangerously to its own citizenry and infrastructure had they been a prospering nation? I doubt that.
Prosperity brings peace. But stupid Israelis have it backward: Subjugating, appropriating, displacing, killing Palestinians and hoping for 'peace'. Nah, might have worked against the small Native Americans population in large North America landmass, but Palestine is too small, too densely populated. It wouldn't work and its blowing up on the Israeli faces. And by denying some fundamental truth about human nature, Israel has dug its own grave.

 

[r3alist]

His got it backwards, the oil has made the arab leaders scared and fragile. Give thr Palestinians the tools to fight the aparthied state properly and it will cease to exist. The old arabs without oil were a force to be reckoned with.

Geez.

The oil created a dependency on a finite resource, once that resource is gone Finland is more economically relevant

Meanwhile Israel planned for the future, start up nation



You were told this over a decade ago

The gulfies knew


If I had a space ship,I could go to the mars...

 

[r3alist]

Even so, absolutely nothing matters on the ground except the actual conflict. He had his opinion/analyses and then there are the prophesies and scriptures. If we in a little forum like these are aware of it then those who have the real stakes would certainly know about them.
Israel's plans have not been hidden from anyone.
I try to focus on the Israeli economy, the Israeli losses on the battlefields, the actions of the anti-Israel forces, the emigration of people from Israel, the internal divisions in Israel, the budding anti-Israel movements in America. Those are the most important factors in this conflict.

I have really liked your contributions, but this is not right, it's just confused.



The precise ground reality is unknowable most likely, i can assure you that whoever will best know will not be telling the world

The point that was made was Israels economic condition is secondary to the question of whether the USA is willing to support it always, that's the decisive factor
whatever anti Israel movement is forming they have no levers of power, it's just a feel good distraction



To Ignore completely the religious drivers in this middle east conflict is like going into a gun fight with a knife, you misread your battle, if you don't like that then there is nothing I can say


The point in looking back at previous views is to understand who and what sort of people really know what's going on, how they planned,and if you want to be honest, how little we all know


We in a little forum are aware of diddly squat

If you have just realised ohh there was prior planning I can assure you there are sharper minds for ahead of the curve.

 

[r3alist]

Prosperity makes everyone 'soft'. Even Israel.

And the less you have, the more you can afford to lose. Look at the Houthis. Would Yemen acted so boldly, so dangerously to its own citizenry and infrastructure had they been a prospering nation? I doubt that.
Prosperity brings peace. But stupid Israelis have it backward: Subjugating, appropriating, displacing, killing Palestinians and hoping for 'peace'. Nah, might have worked against the small Native Americans population in large North America landmass, but Palestine is too small, too densely populated. It wouldn't work and its blowing up on the Israeli faces. And by denying some fundamental truth about human nature, Israel has dug its own grave.

The gulf Arabs have never been prosperous, not really.

They are locked into a dollar dependency that allows them to possess dollars as custodians of the dollars, they get the dollars then feed it back into the western system.

There is nothing created independently of note

Human capital remains stagnant or insufficient


That's not prosperity or softness

That's strategic defeat

The Iranians under the Shah also had oil wealth, they also had visions of proper national development

As an actual analysis, structural and strategic, the idiom of "prosperity makes you soft" belongs in the kids library section, with respect.

If in twenty years, the Saudis are dropping in global significance as oil is less relevant, how can you ever say they had anything real to begin with now?

 

[Alter_Ego]

If in twenty years, the Saudis are dropping in global significance as oil is less relevant, how can you ever say they had anything real to begin with now?

Oil is not less relevant by any means.
Its just that the US is somewhat self sufficient after introducing fracking in shale reservoirs approximately 20 years ago.

Which means a huge consumer of middle eastern oil export was no longer in dire need of imported oil. It freed the US from Gulf power politics and the sheiks understood it. Gulf can no longer use oil as pressure tool as it used to.

 

[Meengla]

As an actual analysis, structural and strategic, the idiom of "prosperity makes you soft" belongs in the kids library section, with respect.
If in twenty years, the Saudis are dropping in global significance as oil is less relevant, how can you ever say they had anything real to begin with now?

Oh, yes, I absolutely believe prosperity makes you 'soft' and that 'decadence' is directly proportional to the wealth and abundance a person feels; and nations are just a composite of the people living in it.
The Saudis of the 2024 are far better off in their lives then the Saudis of 1924. You shouldn't have to even Google that. Whether wealth from oil or from marbles or from coal or from diamonds, doesn't matter. Lives have changed for the better for the millions in a relatively short span of a century. So why would they--or ANY other people-- would want to disturb the applecart?? I can't believe I am arguing with you about the well established relationship between wealth and decadence.
More to the topic: It has been repeatedly said in this thread that many Israelis are likely to leave to take advantage of their dual passports because they, being used to the 'luxuries' of life, wouldn't want the crap in that region. The same principle applies to them: Turned 'soft' due to abundance of decades.

 

[r3alist]

Oil is not less relevant by any means.
Its just that the US is somewhat self sufficient after introducing fracking in shale reservoirs approximately 20 years ago.

Which means a huge consume of middle eastern oil export was no longer in dire need of imported oil. It freed the US from Gulf power politics and the sheiks understood it. Gulf can no longer use oil as pressure tool as it used to.

Oil will be less relevant in time, what planet are you on?

The gulf is locked into the petrol dollar system, that happened after the embargo, they can't cut global oil because of that.

 

[Dalit]

Oil is not less relevant by any means.
Its just that the US is somewhat self sufficient after introducing fracking in shale reservoirs approximately 20 years ago.

Which means a huge consume of middle eastern oil export was no longer in dire need of imported oil. It freed the US from Gulf power politics and the sheiks understood it. Gulf can no longer use oil as pressure tool as it used to.

The Gulfies are clueless. Trying to emulate the Western powers and the likes of China. They are nor even close. Pumping all the oil dollars into meaningless endeavours won't save the day.