Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Meengla]

Oil is not less relevant by any means.
Its just that the US is somewhat self sufficient after introducing fracking in shale reservoirs approximately 20 years ago.

Oil is extremely relevant today! And you are right: Less to the Americans but still to a large part of the world. A VERY large part of the world.
The 'Renewables' have not at all reached the level like oil/natural gas as engines of growth. Not at all.

 

[Alter_Ego]

Oh, yes, I absolutely believe prosperity makes you 'soft' and that 'decadence' is directly proportional to the wealth and abundance a person feels; and nations are just a composite of the people living in it.
The Saudis of the 2024 are far better off in their lives then the Saudis of 1924. You shouldn't have to even Google that. Whether wealth from oil or from marbles or from coal or from diamonds, doesn't matter. Lives have changed for the better for the millions in a relatively short span of a century. So why would they--or ANY other people-- would want to disturb the applecart?? I can't believe I am arguing with you about the well established relationship between wealth and decadence.
More to the topic: It has been repeatedly said in this thread that many Israelis are likely to leave to take advantage of their dual passports because they, being used to the 'luxuries' of life, wouldn't want the crap in that region. The same principle applies to them: Turned 'soft' due to abundance of decades.

If someone owns two cars, have a decent mansion, have decent amount of money in the bank; then there is really only two things to do.
- go the ascetic road, concentrate on meditation and charity
- more fine dine, cars, leisure, women etc. = consumption

Most people, understandibly, choose the latter. And when you go that route, why would anyone want risk anything when they already have everything?

The prophet said he never feared for his people being materially poor, but feared for the effect of wealth on his people.

 

[r3alist]

Oh, yes, I absolutely believe prosperity makes you 'soft' and that 'decadence' is directly proportional to the wealth and abundance a person feels; and nations are just a composite of the people living in it.
The Saudis of the 2024 are far better off in their lives then the Saudis of 1924. You shouldn't have to even Google that. Whether wealth from oil or from marbles or from coal or from diamonds, doesn't matter. Lives have changed for the better for the millions in a relatively short span of a century. So why would they--or ANY other people-- would want to disturb the applecart?? I can't believe I am arguing with you about the well established relationship between wealth and decadence.
More to the topic: It has been repeatedly said in this thread that many Israelis are likely to leave to take advantage of their dual passports because they, being used to the 'luxuries' of life, wouldn't want the crap in that region. The same principle applies to them: Turned 'soft' due to abundance of decades.

I think I am the one who first pointed out the dual passport aspect on this thread

It's sad to say, you were all playing toy armies, what I read anyway

It was an Israel internal study that predicted this, more clergy.

Do you think Israel will simply allow this war of attrition to continue at an unfavorable level, that's the real question, idiosyncratic behaviour if you think you face existential threat is the real ponderable. The clergy will be more useful than you think

This straight line thinking is just silly on lazyness and wealth, firstly I dispute that Saudi is even wealthy in a meaningful sense

If you do indeed have resource you pay for people to worry about your defense you get the best lol



The Saudis look lazy but it's because they lack strategic autonomy, you misattributed, they are structurally trapped.

They get dollars, they invest in the West, they get some more dollars, they buy weapons in the West, oh look, they are dependent on the west

Internally, they are as ruthless as anyone, they can be pro active if they want, where they can.

The decadence and decline of civilizations applies to those who actually had power to begin with, the house of Saud are what?

 

[Meengla]

I think I am the one who first pointed out the dual passport aspect on this thread
It's sad to say, you were all playing toy armies, what I read anyway

No, sir/madame: You are not the first one by a long shot who had mentioned the dual passport nature to emigrate. I was active in for the 2000 pages in the old PDF since October 7, 2023 and I was present in previous conflicts in the old PDF under Obama. There are others like me, such as @hussain0216 and @UKBengali and many others who have been mentioning the dual nationality nature of Israelis and the demographic threats to Israelis.

This straight line thinking is just silly on lazyness and wealth, firstly I dispute that Saudi is even wealthy in a meaningful sense

Thats just strange that you don't see the Saudis (and other GCC Arabs) conditions greatly improved since 1924. Yes, they enjoy a much better life now and, as @Alter_Ego said, most human beings wouldn't want to disturb that, which a regional war would certainly!! Laziness has nothing to do with it. Everyone has a daily life. 'Free' or not. People don't want stress in their lives and doesn't matter who gives it to them: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism. Doesn't matter.

Do you think Israel will simply allow this war of attrition to continue at an unfavorable level, that's the real question, idiosyncratic behaviour if you think you face existential threat is the real ponderable. The clergy will be more useful than you think

Probably the only time you asked something relevant in the recent exchanges with me. And as I and several others, including @Beast89 said above: Israelis are likely to bring down the whole house before accepting their defeat. That's the most dangerous thing the world is facing along with what's going on Ukraine.

 

[r3alist]

The Gulfies are clueless. Trying to emulate the Western powers and the likes of China. They are nor even close. Pumping all the oil dollars into meaningless endeavours won't save the day.

They are desperate ...vision 2030, neom

Last ditch attempts to economically diversify

Like they couldn't try this 20 years ago lol

 

[r3alist]

No, sir/madame: You are not the first one by a long shot who had mentioned the dual passport nature to emigrate. I was active in for the 2000 pages in the old PDF since October 7, 2023 and I was present in previous conflicts in the old PDF under Obama. There are others like me, such as @hussain0216 and @UKBengali and many others who have been mentioning the dual nationality nature of Israelis and the demographic threats to Israelis.


Thats just strange that you don't see the Saudis (and other GCC Arabs) conditions greatly improved since 1924. Yes, they enjoy a much better life now and, as @Alter_Ego said, most human beings wouldn't want to disturb that, which a regional war would certainly!! Laziness has nothing to do with it. Everyone has a daily life. 'Free' or not. People don't want stress in their lives and doesn't matter who gives it to them: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism. Doesn't matter.



Probably the only time you asked something relevant in the recent exchanges with me. And as I and several others, including @Beast89 said above: Israelis are likely to bring down the whole house before accepting their defeat. That's the most dangerous thing the world is facing along with what's going on Ukraine.

No i am not convinced that you do know how the dual passport projection goes, why don't you expand please?

So dual nationals go, ok.. Then what?



The Saudis....a minute ago you were thinking they deserved a chapter in Toynbee's books lol


Yes of course they are wealthier with the accumulation of dollar's , going back from 1924 is hardly the rise and fall of a civilisation my friend, we are missing the good bit of a civilisation, they created nada



Their actual real accumulating came with the PETRO DOLLAR, so more recent

What's the point in wealth if someone controls what you do with it lol.

What's the point in the gift of oil if you don't improve your human capital, a nations real wealth

Thank you for the compliment on idiosyncratic behaviour point I enjoy your contributions so hopefully I can reciprocate even if it's in a robust way

But guess what, you may want to reconsider your view on the role of the messianic in that case, don't take it as me insisting on this, take it as me not dismissing it

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[Khansaheeb]

Divide and rule is one of the trade marks of colonialists.

 

[Khansaheeb]

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It's like Nazi Germany issuing threats to the world. If the American people don't topple the Nazis within the world will.

 

[Meengla]

No i am not convinced that you do know how the dual passport projection goes, why don't you expand please?

So dual nationals go, ok.. Then what?



The Saudis....a minute ago you were thinking they deserved a chapter in Toynbee's books lol


Yes of course they are wealthier with the accumulation of dollar's , going back from 1924 is hardly the rise and fall of a civilisation my friend, we are missing the good bit of a civilisation, they created nada



Their actual real accumulating came with the PETRO DOLLAR, so more recent

What's the point in wealth if someone controls what you do with it lol.

What's the point in the gift of oil if you don't improve your human capital, a nations real wealth

Thank you for the compliment on idiosyncratic behaviour point I enjoy your contributions so hopefully I can reciprocate even if it's in a robust way

But guess what, you may want to reconsider your view on the role of the messianic in that case, don't take it as me insisting on this, take it as me not dismissing it

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If you could only pay attention to what I had and many others are saying and if you could please note bring the Messianic angles. And Speaking in parables is not impressive. Speak plainly, please.
I believe I had said enough above and no point repeating myself. You'd find me saying the same things as I had said to you in the last few posts, and you would find what I am saying being said by others--as they too have been saying for many pages.

 

[Khansaheeb]

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Send him to the US so he can gain a PhD in sodomy.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Does it mean that the west was at the initiative of the civilian war? No.
They help, as they helped the Talibans against USSR.

Divide and rule is the old colonial game. Of course they nurtured the opposition and provided money, arms and training , the gun fodder was provided by the syrians.

 

[r3alist]

If you could only pay attention to what I had and many others are saying and if you could please note bring the Messianic angles. And Speaking in parables is not impressive. Speak plainly, please.
I believe I had said enough above and no point repeating myself. You'd find me saying the same things as I had said to you in the last few posts, and you would find what I am saying being said by others--as they too have been saying for many pages.

If there is any parable it's...you get a bit rich for a few decades, as a nation and you are therefore lazy and inert....

It's this notion I disagree with as an actual explanation


Just finally, there is quite a long way from the dual nationals leaving and an existential crisis

I have not read that explanation anywhere

 

[clutch]

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Not a single Muslim nations made a known ISIS criminal a national hero.... Only in Israel is that possible.

Western Media will again ignore

 

[925boy]

Oil is extremely relevant today! And you are right: Less to the Americans but still to a large part of the world. A VERY large part of the world.
The 'Renewables' have not at all reached the level like oil/natural gas as engines of growth. Not at all.

Oil is also still very relevant to US! US may not need international oil as much (but it still does, look at Russia and Venezuela - whichever of these 2 didn't sell Gasoline to US, US bought it from the other. It did that already in the past few years) but it needs the international oil market to "behave" in certain ways, and it is much harder for US to do this without influencing the global oil market- directly and indirectly. US needs prices and supplies and pricing to favor its companies and their profitability.

We know this because over the past decade or so, US has entered all types of conflicts with large oil producers- Iran, Russia, Venezuela, Iraq.

 

[Meengla]

Oil is also still very relevant to US! US may not need international oil as much (but it still does, look at Russia and Venezuela - whichever of these 2 didn't sell Gasoline to US, US bought it from the other. It did that already in the past few years) but it needs the international oil market to "behave" in certain ways, and it is much harder for US to do this without influencing the global oil market- directly and indirectly. US needs prices and supplies and pricing to favor its companies and their profitability.

We know this because over the past decade or so, US has entered all types of conflicts with large oil producers- Iran, Russia, Venezuela, Iraq.

Can't dispute any of that.
Oil is still very very important: It is another tool to control with.