JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[PakAl]

Iran cannot do this because they need joint collaboration with Russia or China, both nations will not do it openly due to usa and allies pressure. Through blackmarket they may help Iran but difficult at this level, engine is another issue.

Iran should fully concentrate on UAVS, stealth attack drone with advanced avionics, missiles, integration of Artificial Intelligence and machine learning technologies, electronic warefare etc this is the future.

 

[TheLine]

Iran cannot do this because they need joint collaboration with Russia or China, both nations will not do it openly due to usa pressure. Through blackmarket they may help Iran but difficult at this level, engine is another issue. Iran should fully concentrate on UAVS, stealth attack drone with advanced avionics, missiles etc.

I agreed. The issue isn't the Iranian Air Force or Navy, even if Russia gives them updated aircraft and weapon systems they just don't have the numbers to fight the Saudis.

Most of their current air to ground and air to air systems just aren't up to taking on the Saudis, let alone US forces in the region.

 

[PakAl]

I agreed. The issue isn't the Iranian Air Force or Navy, even if Russia gives them updated aircraft and weapon systems they just don't have the numbers to fight the Saudis.

Most of their current air to ground and air to air systems just aren't up to taking on the Saudis, let alone US forces in the region.

Iran already knew it will be too difficult, this is why they concentrated on missiles, air defence etc, where they have done extremely well, but airforce is really important.

 

[TheLine]

Who needs an air force when you have proxy forces all across the middle east. Iranian Air Force is a threat only to nation with little or no air power. It's aircraft can strike targets if there's no opposition. Against 4+ and 5 generation gen aircraft they will most likely get shot down.

 

[PakAl]

Who needs an air force when you have proxy forces all across the middle east. Iranian Air Force is a threat only to nation with little or no air power. It's aircraft can strike targets if there's no opposition. Against 4+ and 5 generation gen aircraft they will most likely get shot down.

Airforce is also important for defence, to destroy enemy aircrafts, destroyers, so they're the first line of defence before the enemies enter your airspace, then you have the airdefence waiting and more offensive weapons like BMs waiting.

 

[TheLine]

Airforce is also important for defence, to destroy enemy aircrafts, destroyers, so they're the first line of defence before the enemies enter your airspace, then you have the airdefence waiting and more offensive weapons like BMs waiting.

Iran's air force is not a threat. Their most modern aircraft are Mig-29s.

Their primary defense is mobile long range SAM systems as part of an IADS. Currently they supposedly have a couple older S-300 systems and a couple S-300 PMU2s. These are relatively modern, but they are so few that their chances of surviving for more than the opening phase is pretty low. Iran also lacks an airborne radar system and the means to defend it, which limits their ability to defend against cruise missiles and other low flying threats. Iran also has an indigenously-developed SAM system that is a total black box. They keep claiming in the press that it is more capable than the S-300, but they spent a lot of time and money to acquire S-300s even after they began to deploy it, so who knows. If they have their own mobile SAM system with good jamming resistance it will complicate matters for the US for sure.

 

[hyperman]

Iran can do the same thing with the Su-75 Checkmate from Russia technically. Create a local production line in Iran. The engine and avionics can come from Russia, the ejection seat from Russia. And Iran can add their own systems on top in some areas.

Russia designed that plane but its not going to be inducted into the Russian Air Force, just like the JF-17 isn't.

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But to be honest with you, this is probably a mistake for Iran. Iran cannot beat the US and Israel playing the air force vs air force game.

They chose a different path with Ballistic missiles and air defense, and honestly I think thats the right more, its a far bigger deterrent than any air force Iran can manage.

Learn from Iraq's mistakes, you cannot fight a conventional war and expect to win, you have to use out of the box solutions and places that have't been explored or developed. This is paying dividend right now for Iran via missiles and drones, why abandon that.

They do need some planes, but don't get into the air force game where you try to buy hundreds of fighter jets, they will always have the qualitative advantage there and the quantitative advantage. You beat them in different areas. Ballistic missiles are the best example of this strategy.

If Iran is going to buy something, i would say they should get License production of the S-400 and other Russian Air Defense systems. As well as get themselves some Beriev A-100s as well as Electronic warfare, Recon and command and control aircraft. Those are much better in more multiplication.

Invest strongly in Military Satellites as well.

 

[TheLine]

Iran is the only one who seems to figure that out. Everyone else is trying to compete against Israel in air warfare and lost big time! If Egypt can't then no one else can. Now they are just a former self with no Soviet support. Turkey is still a long way to go with kaan they are still at the mercy of the US for jet engine who knows maybe eventually they will break free from the grip of American control.

 

[TheLine]

Israel will have air superiority for the next decade or two until turkey can figure their shit then maybe they can pose a threat to Israel there's not much anyone can do.

 

[Oscar]

Israel will have air superiority for the next decade or two until turkey can figure their shit then maybe they can pose a threat to Israel there's not much anyone can do.

Most of what Turkey is doing today had its origins elsewhere but they were smart enough to learn and localize that knowledge.

Israel’s needs a strong airforce otherwise its New Jersey drive and Egypt nearly proved that in 73.

 

[TheLine]

Most of what Turkey is doing today had its origins elsewhere but they were smart enough to learn and localize that knowledge.

Israel’s needs a strong airforce otherwise its New Jersey drive and Egypt nearly proved that in 73.

Israel was caught off guard but they never lost in 73. They gave up sinai to Egypt for peace because of US pressure.

 

[TheLine]

Most of what Turkey is doing today had its origins elsewhere but they were smart enough to learn and localize that knowledge.

Israel’s needs a strong airforce otherwise its New Jersey drive and Egypt nearly proved that in 73.

Egypt only chance was a surprise attack one on one they get smoked by Israel plain and simple it's not even close despite how big their armed forces are.

 

[Oscar]

Israel was caught off guard but they never lost in 73. They gave up sinai to Egypt for peace because of US pressure.

They didn’t lose because the United States pumps them (my tax money) with the largest arms delivery since WW2 in 73.
Technically with what they had they were done for.

 

[Oscar]

Egypt only chance was a surprise attack one on one they get smoked by Israel plain and simple it's not even close despite how big their armed forces are.

This is pure biased BS stemming from emotional attachment - not related to facts.

Please see how much the US intervened to save Israel. Even Sharon’s romp through the Sinai had constant SR-71 overflights and C-5s hauling arms day and night.

 

[TheLine]

They didn’t lose because the United States pumps them (my tax money) with the largest arms delivery since WW2 in 73.
Technically with what they had they were done for.

Egypt had the support of the Soviet Union and many other Arab states. Israel was fighting alone and they proved it without any US involvement.israel is the best conventional military in the region. Open field they will wipe the floor with Egypt or turkey don't matter